Help!!! I'm Starting To Think Margarito Has A Shot!

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nah... Pacquiao is gonna massacre him.

[| THE KING |]

Are you sure Margarito isn't a 40+ year old mma artist making his first foray into boxing? I could've sworn that was why he mad that comparison, lulz.

Seriously though, he probably disregarded all the tactical and style clash information that was posted in the OP and just thought that I was giving Margarito a shot because the fight is getting closer and he's an underdog.

yea.. true.

[Heru]

Youn mean walking Pac down like he did with Mosley , come on Margo is inhouse and will not be allowed to kill the Bosses golden goose even if he could , Margo will a be a little more open than Clottey but just as slow and cumbersome he looked crap last time and off a beating and lay off , he aint in it to win it .

Did you not read the OP?

Where I posted what tactics Mosley used and asking whether Pacquiao had the tools to replicate what he did to slow down Margarito.

[stefl14]

I was of the belief that Pacquiao was too fast for Margarito and he would just move in and out while tagging him at will, but I can't keep acting as if Margarito will respect Pacquiao's power and Manny is some sort of defensive genius.

Margarito won't just stand in front of Pacquiao letting himself get picked apart and giving Manny a rest period. He's going to be walking Pac down nonstop and throwing 4,5,6+ punch combinations even when he's out of range.

Mosley was smart and strong enough to hold Margarito every time he was in range to land. And after he held, he'd walk Margarito backwards to tire him out.

Can Pacquiao do this constantly? If not, how is he going to keep Margarito at bay?

Pacquiao doesn't seem to have the lateral footwork that it takes to keep Margarito off balance and on the outside. Nor does he have an exceptional inside game where he can block punches if he does get inside.

He can throw tons of punches like Williams, but Margarito will only wait for so long before he says 'A la verga guey' and forces his way inside. Margarito is 5'11'' and his main punches are the straight right hand and left uppercut, they will work well against a shorter southpaw.

If Margarito can get to Pacquiao's body early, it'll get very interesting down the stretch.

I still think Pacquiao will win because Roach is a master at game planning and if he has Pacquiao going to the body early, all of the above will be annulled, but if not this will be Pacquiao's toughest fight since JMM II.

Okay let me help set you of track. If you watched Pac vs De La Hoya, you will know that Pac didn't just move in and out, he turned De La Hoya. It will be the same vs Margarito, probably worse. Pac will turn him, then Marg will follow him like Marg always does and walk into Pac's infinitely faster hands. Pac doesn't need to be a defensive genius to handle marg because he will just turn him.

You mention the possibility that Marg might adopt his usual gameplan of walking into punches wide open. This will get hiim annhilated. If you thought De La Hoya got hit lots Marg will get hit even more because he is throwing more.

And it is unlikely that Margarito is going to find his way inside for long. Pacquiao's mid range fighting skills is the perfect range to catch Margs coming in, then moving again.

Marg will land but come on Margarito is an arm puncher and won't land enough to have effect.

[Left Hook Tua]

nah... Pacquiao is gonna massacre him.

i read in the limey lounge that mir khan is now dating brian cowling is this true?

[| THE KING |]

I hope you know that Margarito delivered tons of body shots that helped Cotto get tired. Don't think that Cotto just had a mental breakdown from all the pressure Margarito put on him although it was part of the reason.

Who's the last fighter to actually go to Pacquiao's body?

Agreed. But if Marg goes for the body.. the head will be wide open for Manny. If Marg can take Pacs power... we will have a war. If Manny hurts Marg, there is no way Marg will be able to handle that speed.

Marg is still bigger-taller/longer reach/stamina/active and throws many punches.. Manny might actually have to box like he did with ODLH as opposed to the wars he had slugging it out with Hatton/Cotto.

[Heru]

maybe.

he is still bigger and taller and heavier. being at 150-151 helps rather than 147.

people underrate marg because of mosley-marg.

that's a bad example. pacquiao doesn't have the physical tools to do what mosley did.

i watched cotto-marg again the other day though and......marg is so damn slow.

only chance is if he can take pacquiao's punches like nothing. if pacquiao's punches can stun him or hurt him , he has no chance.

I thought you were convinced Margarito was too big Tua?

IMO anyone that isn't physically stronger than Margarito (or as strong) will have tons of trouble keeping him off. I could be wrong, but I don't think Pacquiao will be able to stun or hurt him without breaking him down first.

Pacquiao wasn't able to hurt a David Diaz he was catching with blind shots in exchanges. He couldn't knock out the corpse of De La Hoya either. Pacquiao will have to break him down before taking him out.

[| THE KING |]

I thought you were convinced Margarito was too big Tua?

IMO anyone that isn't physically stronger than Margarito (or as strong) will have tons of trouble keeping him off. I could be wrong, but I don't think Pacquiao will be able to stun or hurt him without breaking him down first.

Pacquiao wasn't able to hurt a David Diaz he was catching with blind shots in exchanges. He couldn't knock out the corpse of De La Hoya either. Pacquiao will have to break him down before taking him out.

You could be right. I don't know if manny has the power to hurt marg. mosley was throwing BOMBS at marg.. different kind of power. Manny may have the speed to to stun marg a bit, but don't know if he can really hurt him or KD him.

Keep in mind that manny fought diaz his first fight at 135 .. and De La Hoya took punches from MUCH bigger men.. (and claimed manny didn't hit hard in one interview, but later saying manny hits as hard as middleweights in a later interview)..

I do believe that manny will have to break marg down with accumulation of punches... this might go to a decision.

[Heru]

Okay let me help set you of track. If you watched Pac vs De La Hoya, you will know that Pac didn't just move in and out, he turned De La Hoya. It will be the same vs Margarito, probably worse. Pac will turn him, then Marg will follow him like Marg always does and walk into Pac's infinitely faster hands. Pac doesn't need to be a defensive genius to handle marg because he will just turn him.

You mention the possibility that Marg might adopt his usual gameplan of walking into punches wide open. This will get hiim annhilated. If you thought De La Hoya got hit lots Marg will get hit even more because he is throwing more.

And it is unlikely that Margarito is going to find his way inside for long. Pacquiao's mid range fighting skills is the perfect range to catch Margs coming in, then moving again.

Marg will land but come on Margarito is an arm puncher and won't land enough to have effect.

Good **** mentioning the turning of De La Hoya's corpse.

De La Hoya tried to sit back and counter punch, Margarito will be trying to lead and probably throwing the left uppercut to the head or body when Pacquiao tries to roll under and turn him. You have to be a defensive genius if Margarito's in your kitchen throwing 4,5,6+ punch combinations. They might be slow, but when they comein those types of volleys it gets hard to block them all.

Yes, Margarito will be getting hit tons, but if Pacquiao doesn't concentrate to the body early, it will cost him in the late rounds. Head shots don't slow Margarito down, body shots will.

This is what he should hope for. That Margarito instead of attacking decides to feel him out and try to box him for a few rounds like he did against Paul Williams.

Clottey is an arm puncher, but look at what he did to Pacquiao's face with the few he landed. Pacquiao's face can't handle punches at welterweight as it's been able to in the lower weights.

[stefl14]

Good **** mentioning the turning of De La Hoya's corpse.

De La Hoya tried to sit back and counter punch, Margarito will be trying to lead and probably throwing the left uppercut to the head or body when Pacquiao tries to roll under and turn him. You have to be a defensive genius if Margarito's in your kitchen throwing 4,5,6+ punch combinations. They might be slow, but when they comein those types of volleys it gets hard to block them all.

Yes, Margarito will be getting hit tons, but if Pacquiao doesn't concentrate to the body early, it will cost him in the late rounds. Head shots don't slow Margarito down, body shots will.

This is what he should hope for. That Margarito instead of attacking decides to feel him out and try to box him for a few rounds like he did against Paul Williams.

Clottey is an arm puncher, but look at what he did to Pacquiao's face with the few he landed. Pacquiao's face can't handle punches at welterweight as it's been able to in the lower weights.

I know that Pac won't hold like Mosley but he can't, but he is definately more agile and mobile than Shane. Marg will hit Pac no doubt but Pac won't fight like he did vs Clottey who stands in a shell. The thing is we don't know which Margarito is going to show up!