24 hr. RE-HYDRATION RULE makes CRITICISM of CATCHWEIGHT fights ILLEGITIMATE

[IMDAZED]

go snitch on john proctor abigail williams.

Desperate times for you in your own thread, huh?

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

Desperate times for you in your own thread, huh?

how so?

did you just slam me with medical research of the ill effects of catchweight fights?

ive listed several catchweight fights where the bigger person was made to go down in weight yet still won & never had a bad medical condition because of the catchweights.

ive listed several fighters fighting in weight classes smaller than their natural weight but continually still win & never had a problem medically.

cliff rold himself said that catchweights was made due to cancellations & not medical reasoning,

yet posters here in nsb want to act like catchweight medical researchers & physicians who now the exact ill effects & advantages/disadvantages of catchweight fights.


now go find me some commie bastards joe mccarthy.

[IMDAZED]

how so?

did you just slam me with medical research of the ill effects of catchweight fights?

ive listed several catchweight fights where the bigger person was made to go down in weight yet still won & never had a bad medical condition because of the catchweights.

ive listed several fighters fighting in weight classes smaller than their natural weight but continually still win & have never problem medically.

cliff rold himself said that catchweights was made due to cancellations & not medical reasoning,

yet posters here in nsb want to act like catchweight medical researches & physicians who now the exact ill effects & advantages/disadvantages of catchweight fights.


now go find me some commie bastards joe mccarthy.

Whatever you say, bud. I'm outta here.

[Phenom]

For a fighter starting at 106lbs, a former flyweight champion, now fighting welterweights, it makes it all the more impressive the fact that the 24 hour rehydration rule means that on fight night, pac (who is not even a welterweight) is fighting junior middleweights & middleweights.

How much can we really hold it against him the 145lb catchweight & proposed 150lb catchweight vs cotto & margarito when the 24 rehydration stunt in today's era is in effect?

How do we analyze the 24 re hydration rule in historical context?

Old time fighters never had to deal with it. But in regards to pacquiao, who in 3 welterweight fights cant even make 147, how can we really criticize him when on fight night he's not even facing welterweights?

When henry armstrong fought welterweights, he fought welterweights on fight night. when pacquiao fights welterweights, he fights junior middleweights & middleweights on fight nights.

The 24 hr rehydration rule in today's era must be taken into consideration. It completely negates all the criticisms of catchweight fights.

The catchweight criticism is a inaccurate, unsubstantiated, superficial disadvantage/advantage because of the 24 rehydration rule.

why then even ask for a catchweight fight? what is Manny's camp trying to accomplish by making the opponent come in at a catch weight?

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

Whatever you say, bud. I'm outta here.

good job trying to marginalize the post by trying to play off a non answer.

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why then even ask for a catchweight fight? what is Manny's camp trying to accomplish by making the opponent come in at a catch weight?

unsubstantiated perceived advantage that's not really a advantage.

[Khalid X]

For a fighter starting at 106lbs, a former flyweight champion, now fighting welterweights, it makes it all the more impressive the fact that the 24 hour rehydration rule means that on fight night, pac (who is not even a welterweight) is fighting junior middleweights & middleweights.

How much can we really hold it against him the 145lb catchweight & proposed 150lb catchweight vs cotto & margarito when the 24 rehydration stunt in today's era is in effect?

How do we analyze the 24 re hydration rule in historical context?

Old time fighters never had to deal with it. But in regards to pacquiao, who in 3 welterweight fights cant even make 147, how can we really criticize him when on fight night he's not even facing welterweights?

When henry armstrong fought welterweights, he fought welterweights on fight night. when pacquiao fights welterweights, he fights junior middleweights & middleweights on fight nights.

The 24 hr rehydration rule in today's era must be taken into consideration. It completely negates all the criticisms of catchweight fights.

The catchweight criticism is a inaccurate, unsubstantiated, superficial disadvantage/advantage because of the 24 rehydration rule.

I see what you are saying and fvkk those haters. Now I personally don't like the catchweight because it only gives haters an excuse to flame, when the same thing that is gonna happen at 151 is gonna happen at 154.

Back to your post....yeah you made some good points. For a small fighter like Armstrong a same day weigh in prevents him from facing guys who will balloon up to 160 plus on fight night..ala a Joshua Clottey, Antonio Margarito etc. At the same time modern day fighters may have advantages he didn't have....which iw why It's hard to compare fighters from different eras.

[Phenom]

unsubstantiated perceived advantage that's not really a advantage.

ok so then why is it an illegitimate criticism for fans to criticize a boxer who is asking for that handicap

[Khalid X]

What about the 24hr rehydration rule negates a catchweight?

It's pretty obvious what he means by that. The whole point of a catchweight is to not allow bigger fighters to balloon up and create mismatches (weight wise) on fight night. Well if you same day weigh ins.....then there is no need for a catchweight as the chances of your opponent putting on 15-20lbs is pretty slim or damn near impossible.

[A7glow]

Keep in mind that most fighters who fight at lower weight divisions fight there because that is where the money is. But in regards to catch weight fights, weighing less than your normal weight the day before a major athletic event can very well effect your performance (dropping weight affects you just as gaining weight does, but there are some differences) Dropping three or four pounds may not really have much of an effect on the fight, but it depends upon the fighter and their body. And if you want facts and research to back up what I'm saying...

Dehydration has been shown to:

* reduce blood and plasma volume, this results in a decrease in the amount of blood pumped out by the heart, consequently the heart has to work harder in an attempt to maintain an adequate blood (oxygen) supply to the working muscles (Robergs and Roberts, 1997; Clarkson, 1998)

* decrease testosterone levels (Booth et al., 1993; Viscardi, 1998)

* increase blood lactate accumulation (Wilmore and Costill 1994)

* impair the body's ability to sweat, resulting is an increased risk of overheating. (Armstrong, 1992; ACSM, 1996).

* "Dehydration results in reduced muscle blood flow, waste removal, and heat dissipation, all of which are necessary for sustained, high power muscle action in events such as boxing and judo." (Armstrong, 1992, p.29)

* Taken to the extreme, rapid weight loss when achieved through dehydration can be fatal. Viscardi (1998) identifies that excessive dehydration can harm bodily functions, leading to kidney failure, heat stroke or heart attack, indeed in 1997, within a period of thirty-three days, three young American wrestlers tragically died whilst trying to 'make their weight' (Hickling, 1999).

References:

* American College of Sports Medicine. (1996). "Position stand: Weight loss in wrestlers." Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise. 28. pp.ix-xii.
* Armstrong, L.E. (1992). "Making weight in hot environments." National Strength and Conditioning Journal. 14 (5), pp.29-30.
* Booth, A. Mazur, A.C. and Dabbs, J.M. (1993). "Endogenous testosterone and competition: the effect of fasting." Steroids. 58 (8), pp.348-350.
* Clarkson, P. Manmore, M. Oppliger, B. Steen, S. and Walberg-Rankin, J. (1998), "Methods and strategies for weight loss in athletes: A round table." Gatorade Sports Science Institute. 8 (1), pp.1-9. www.gssiweb.com/references/
* Foster, C. (1995). "The way to go when the weight is the thing!" Scholastic Coach. 65 (3), pp.64-67.
* Hickling, D. (1999), "Wrestling safely with weight loss." Foster's Daily. http://www.fosters.com/sports99/january/10/sp0110a.htm
* Horswill, C.A. Hickner, R.C. Scott, J.R. Costill, D.L. and Gould, D. (1990). "Weight loss, dietary carbohydrate modifications, and high intensity, physical performance." Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise. 22. pp.470-476.
* Robergs, R.A. and Roberts, S.O. (1997). Exercise Physiology: Exercise, Performance, and Clinical Applications. Mosby (London).
* Wilmore, J.H. and Costill, D.L. (1994). Physiology of Sport and Exercise. Human Kinetics (Champaign IL).
* Yankanich, J. Kenney, W.L. Fleck, S.J. and Kraemer, W.J. (1998). "Precompetition weight loss and changes in vascular fluid volume in NCAA Division 1 College Wrestlers." Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research. 12 (3), pp.138-145.


Mind you that such rapid dehydration is also followed by a period of re-hydration. However, it is difficult for a fighter to achieve full electrolyte balance over a period of 24-hours. Some us IV drips, others use electrolyte drinks, whatever the case, dehydration does effect the athlete.

[AFighter4U]

Would the catchweight still be an issue for haters if Marg comes in at the fight ABOVE 154 lbs?