Floyd is the most skilled fighter of all time.

[brick wall]

What then would be described as skills? If its ability to throw hooks, uppercuts, jabs with both hands? Is it countering? is it shoulder roll in addition to blocking and parrying?

skills is what you gain from training and experience as a fighter. the right way of throwing effective punches, punch combinations, counterpunching, footwork, head and body movements, ring generalship, good anticipation, etc.
yes, shoulder rolling is skills...but then it also has something to do with athleticism that's why not every fighter can do it no matter how much they train. you see, some fighter's attributes are the combination of having physical gifts and proper training. floyd can effectively shoulder roll because he has the physicality to do it and he made it as part of this training regimen.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Brick Wall you ever seen Oscar and Cotto's shoulder roll? Exactly.

Its a skill you dumb tit.

[stefl14]

What then would be described as skills? If its ability to throw hooks, uppercuts, jabs with both hands? Is it countering? is it shoulder roll in addition to blocking and parrying?

In my opinion, 'skill', in boxing terms, is the ability to employ abilities we have learnt through pracptice and repetition. To answer your question, throwing hooks, uppercuts and jabs well and being effective with them is a skill. In my opinion, speed and reflexes do not count as skills. Some may argue that through repetition we can improve speed and reflexes, which is true but only to a certain extent because in general these are characteristics we are born with.

Floyd's ability to adjust, relax, think and counter are skills which are less natural and Mayweather's natural abilities (not skills) help him to employ these skills, which is why people sometimes wrongly label him as the most skilled fighter.

Stef L.

[brick wall]

Brick Wall you ever seen Oscar and Cotto's shoulder roll? Exactly.

Its a skill you dumb tit.

did you read my entire post moron? go and read it again.

[The Big Dunn]

skills is what you gain from training and experience as a fighter. the right way of throwing effective punches, punch combinations, counterpunching, footwork, head and body movements, ring generalship, good anticipation, etc.
yes, shoulder rolling is skills...but then it also has something to do with athleticism that's why not every fighter can do it no matter how much they train. you see, some fighter's attributes are the combination of having physical gifts and proper training. floyd can effectively shoulder roll because he has the physicality to do it and he made it as part of this training regimen.

We agree. In this respect then Bricky floyd is one of the most skilled fighters ever. All the BS hype aside, dude is the son of a world class contender and nephew of 2 world champions, all of whom developed and trained him. There is NOTHING from a boxing standpoint that he can't do.

Power, speed, athleticism are not skills, they are ATTRIBUTES that either you have or you dont. You can be taught how to check hook or pull counter. You can't teach speed.

[The Big Dunn]

In my opinion, 'skill', in boxing terms, is the ability to employ abilities we have learnt through pracptice and repetition. To answer your question, throwing hooks, uppercuts and jabs well and being effective with them is a skill. In my opinion, speed and reflexes do not count as skills. Some may argue that through repetition we can improve speed and reflexes, which is true but only to a certain extent because in general these are characteristics we are born with.

Floyd's ability to adjust, relax, think and counter are skills which are less natural and Mayweather's natural abilities (not skills) help him to employ these skills, which is why people sometimes wrongly label him as the most skilled fighter.

Stef L.

See my response to brick wall. There is no learned boxing "skill" that floyd doesn't possess. Respectfully, the speed with which he does these things or the athleticism showed shouldn't be factored in. IMO you either have the skill or you don't.

[Amazinger]

People need to show him more respect on here. There aint nooone who stands a chance of beating him. 41 have tried, 41 have failed. Manny Pacquiaos a great fighter but hes lost so I dont see how anyone can rate him over Floyd.

Lets be honest hes second only to Ali really.

Oh yeah we believe you,You are full of knowledge.


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[stefl14]

What then would be described as skills? If its ability to throw hooks, uppercuts, jabs with both hands? Is it countering? is it shoulder roll in addition to blocking and parrying?

See my response to brick wall. There is no learned boxing "skill" that floyd doesn't possess. Respectfully, the speed with which he does these things or the athleticism showed shouldn't be factored in. IMO you either have the skill or you don't.

Again, I am not saying Floyd isn't a massively skilled fighter. Floyd may be able to do most things but this doesn't mean he is the most skilled fighter. Just because he can do a lot of things doesn't mean he does them all perfectly, he can pressure his opponent, but there are better pressure fighters, he can throw combinations, but there are better combination punchers, he has good headmovement (which in part he is good at due to his reflexes, but not only because of this) but there are and have been fighters with better headmovement. To argue that one fighter is the most skilled of all time is wrong.

In response to your points, speed and atheleticism have to be counted because some of his skills would not be affective without them; to be honest, we wouldn't have seen them without the speed or reflexes he posesses and wouldn't be saying he is the most skilled fighter of all time.

StefL.

[brick wall]

We agree. In this respect then Bricky floyd is one of the most skilled fighters ever. All the BS hype aside, dude is the son of a world class contender and nephew of 2 world champions, all of whom developed and trained him. There is NOTHING from a boxing standpoint that he can't do.

Power, speed, athleticism are not skills, they are ATTRIBUTES that either you have or you dont. You can be taught how to check hook or pull counter. You can't teach speed.

his skills is no better than jmm or hopkins as far as i'm concerned. those 2 are much less talented than floyd but they have accomplished so much because of their skills more than their physical gifts. floyd's sucess has more to do with his natural abilities. hopkins at his age, when his reflexes has already declined big time can still compete with young fighters and has in fact embarassed most of them. same thing with jmm. that's because they have the skills they can rely on even when their natural abilities has already declined.

[The Big Dunn]

Again, I am not saying Floyd isn't a massively skilled fighter. Floyd may be able to do most things but this doesn't mean he is the most skilled fighter. Just because he can do a lot of things doesn't mean he does them all perfectly, he can pressure his opponent, but there are better pressure fighters, he can throw combinations, but there are better combination punchers, he has good headmovement (which in part he is good at due to his reflexes, but not only because of this) but there are and have been fighters with better headmovement. To argue that one fighter is the most skilled of all time is wrong.

In response to your points, speed and atheleticism have to be counted because some of his skills would not be affective without them; to be honest, we wouldn't have seen them without the speed or reflexes he posesses and wouldn't be saying he is the most skilled fighter of all time.

StefL.

I understand where you are coming from better after this post. I think the post is taking everything into consideration. So when you consider the fact he has 25 kos in 41 fight (61%) while being considered a strictly defensive fighter tthis may be why the poster thinks he is. But your point about there is no best is very good.