Comments Thread For: Further Review, Margarito Unworthy of a Spotlight Return

[josemiguel1969]

This article was not very amusing for many reasons. The most obvious reason was the bragging about his wife's fantasy football's accomplishments. In all seriousness, who gives a flying ****? Tell her to stay on the damn kitchen rather than do ******ed **** like fantasy football and being proud of it. Second, to me it has gotten to the point where I was as pissed as everyone here but then I became sincere and said to myself "you know what I'm no hypocrite" I really don't care. I just want to see good boxing matches. Whether the sport is tainted well no **** it has been this way for a long time. Paquiao has been choosing his opponents perfectly from 135 until 147 and now 154 wait never mind 151 to make him seem like he deserves all his glory. You cannot say for a fact that the fight is going to be another Mosley vs Margarito. If you truly believe that to be a fact, then you are writing for the wrong sport. There are numerous reasons why the fight is not going to be the same not at all.
The main reason being that Margarito was not focused on the match. Who would? He was caught. The second one is that no other boxer on this planet wants to win this match as much as Antonio. His arguable use of loaded gloves throughout his career doesn't explain his lack of that distinguished granite chin he was characterized by. If Margarito is 100% expect to see a very good fight and possible a major upset.

First, be a man and pay a little respect for this mans wife! Do you have a mother? Second, this is not a matter of nationality, Puerto Rican, Mexican... Margarito committed a serious fault, its like attempting to commit a crime. Would you like somebody to hit your face with loaded gloves? Sure not!! You say that all you want to see is "good fights", sure, because you dont care about the well being of the boxers nor the laws governing the sport and because your not the one getting punched! As Luis Resto got punished, Margarito should too. And if you take a look at the documentary "assault in the ring" the Luis Resto story you will see mr. bob arum saying that what Resto did was unforgivable and should be banned from the sport (at that time), the same one that is promoting the fight!! This world is corrupted by money and by people that dont respect others!

[-Johannes-]

**** his wife, I don't care what her accomplishments in fantasy football are. Who ****ing does. That was some really irrelevant bull**** right there. Like i stated before, I just want to see the fight, I do not see it as being a boring fight. On the contrary, if Margarito comes 100% the fight will be good. I have put the issue behind me now, it's always overlooked in time. Take Tito Trinidad for example, he was caught. He kept fighting. Even more so, people were on his nuts when he announced a comeback. Same goes for the PED users. Some say it's like shoplifting like the ****** who posted a few posts ago. Guess what? You are out of your puny f*ucking mind. No one really believes that using PED on a contact sport like boxing is like shoplifting. I remeber at the age of around 6 or 7 around second grade I stole some candy from a store... Shoplifting is child's play. Come on man, you know how dangerous it would be to give Segura PED so he would have tremendous amounts of stamina? Or any other big puncher for that matter. Doesn't it put the life of the other boxer at risk?

In all honesty, I condemned Margarito for his actions but now I'm more inclined on the "**** it side" there no chaning in boxing. Boycotting the fight will not do ****. Trust me it's going to be packed at Dallas and ppv buys are going to be good. It's an attractive fight when the incident behind it and the catchweight bull**** are overlooked.

[GRUSTLER]

Great post! PED use IS cheating, but not as egregious as loading gloves. Personally, to level the whole field at this point, I think that every marquis fighter (maybe every professional boxer?) should be subjected to the most advanced testing techniques available, year round. If a fighter fails, the same sample should be tested again for 'false positives' and if it is confirmed, he should be banned for life. Obviously I feel the same way about handwrap and glove tampering...but that should also be regarded as criminal.

Same difference man. Using performance enhancments
can kill or hurt a fighter like loaded gloves AND it's both
unfair AND it's cheating no matter which way you try to
spin it. That's why Mosley is sticking up for Margarito
because he knows what he did was wrong too. Have to
read between the lines. The fact that Mosley and others
got away with cheating makes Margarito's case more
arguable because if boxing was hard on everyone then
no one could point the finger and say "He cheated too,
so why should be punished?" Boxing politics sucks and
stinks really bad. Too much greed going on from the
inner workings. No top fighters are fighting anymore.
Catchweights, money differences, ducking, excuses on
ducking...... Ridiculous.

[indystress]

How come there are still non-forgiving people trying to bury Antonio Margarito, can these people say to themselves that they are perfect? Antonio Margarito was already granted his privilege to fight in the ring in the state of Texas. When criminals get acquitted, they regain their freedom and given another chance to live a decent life. Every person with enough education knows that...and don't try to blame Manny Pacquiao for giving Antonio Margarito a big name because they are fighting on November 13. Antonio Margarito is still a good marketable fighter because he does'nt duck anybody.

unlike the ignorant writer of this story, you are, as i am, all about redemption...how does one go ob about redeeming himself, and in my eyes, i believe margarito when he said he didnt know what was being wrapped in his gloves...because you dont feel any difference til it gets hard, by the time it gets hard, i dont think margarito feels anything different in his gloves, because with each punch thrown and landed, the fist starts to get used to to punches thrown and landed...****, if all of margaritos past fights the referee of the fight couldnt catch/see it...and if the opposing head training couldnt catch/see it, then what makes anyone think margarito can? it took one trained eye to have caught it...and i believe margaritos "now ex trainer" is the only man to blame...he himself said so that he and not margarito is guilty

[el jeffe]

I'm so glad to know what your wife thinks! that is going to make me change my mind about Tony! Thank God for that read!

Who gives a flying F about what they think! that's the beauty of the internet, anyone can have an opinion, anyone can post what ever they want and what their wifes think

Just a single opinion that does not matter in the least to me

[fastblack]

Fastblack

Margo cheato is unworthy of being on American soil and breathing American air. Keep him in Mexico with all the others.

[Dave Rado]

Same difference man. Using performance enhancments
can kill or hurt a fighter like loaded gloves AND it's both
unfair AND it's cheating no matter which way you try to
spin it.

You can say the same about rabbit punches, head-butts, hitting on the break, and hitting after the bell. These get disqualification at worst, more often just a warning. Do you seriously think that PEDs and plaster should just get a warning in most cases, and disqualification at worst, because they're no more serious than a low blow or a rabbit punch, or hitting on the break, because they are all illegal, unfair and potentially harmful?

The idea that anything that is illegal and potentially harmful should be given the same punishment is just ridiculous. If that were applied to the legal system there would be literally millions of people on death row.

And there's no hard evidence whatsoever that anyone has ever died or even been hurt as a result of PEDs. In Mosley's case, he actually performed a lot better against DLH without the PEDs than with them.

[IMDAZED]

You can say the same about rabbit punches, head-butts, hitting on the break, and hitting after the bell. These get disqualification at worst, more often just a warning. Do you seriously think that PEDs and plaster should just get a warning in most cases, and disqualification at worst, because they're no more serious than a low blow or a rabbit punch, or hitting on the break, because they are all illegal, unfair and potentially harmful?

The idea that anything that is illegal and potentially harmful should be given the same punishment is just ridiculous. If that were applied to the legal system there would be literally millions of people on death row.

And there's no hard evidence whatsoever that anyone has ever died or even been hurt as a result of PEDs. In Mosley's case, he actually performed a lot better against DLH without the PEDs than with them.

That's assuming Mosley didn't use PEDs the first time he fought Oscar. We really don't know. Furthermore, it's easy to compare how he looked on PEDs versus how he looked against Oscar the first time. A lot happened in the three years between. Mosley looked a lot worse--from the first Forrest fight up until he signed to fight Oscar. In fact, that's the only reason why Oscar took the fight. Mosley hadn't notched a victory in 2-3 years and seemed to have lost his confidence. Compared to his performances against Forrest - and even the brief one against Marquez - he looked very, very good against Oscar the second time.

I agree with your premise but the idea that PEDs could be used to seriously damage a fighter doesn't need hard evidence. Just common sense. You take a good fighter and you strengthen his attributes and he becomes a more dangerous fighter. You take a dangerous fighter and strengthen them and he becomes...I don't know? This is boxing we're talking about here.

[grayfist]

There exist distinctions among: Murder, Frustrated Murder, Attempted Murder, Homicide ...There are even distinctions in Murder, i.e., 1st degree, 2nd degree, etc. Consequently, penalties have been made to, in the words of those in the legal circles, "fit the crime."

Those folks responsible for such distinctions all throughout human history as well as those who calibrated the system of penalties...I wonder...did they enlist the wisdom of their wives?

And then there's that policy that offers convicts who have served their time a "second chance". Some of those who have benefited from society's generosity became big names in pro boxing, e.g., Liston, Hopkins, et al. Were they forgiven because their crimes were committed outside boxing while Margarito must not be because his "criminal" act was done inside the sport? Is damage to the "integrity" of the sport of greater weight than damage to society at large? Is the life of a fighter atop the ring facing an opponent with illegal pads of greater value than the lives of defenseless folks in an armed robbery incident?

Just wondering...

Just wondering too: if boxing can be demonstratively generous in accommodating former felons who have done time, why must it be such a miser when it comes to giving one of its own a second chance?

[Dave Rado]

That's assuming Mosley didn't use PEDs the first time he fought Oscar. We really don't know. Furthermore, it's easy to compare how he looked on PEDs versus how he looked against Oscar the first time. A lot happened in the three years between. Mosley looked a lot worse--from the first Forrest fight up until he signed to fight Oscar. In fact, that's the only reason why Oscar took the fight. Mosley hadn't notched a victory in 2-3 years and seemed to have lost his confidence. Compared to his performances against Forrest - and even the brief one against Marquez - he looked very, very good against Oscar the second time.

I agree with your premise but the idea that PEDs could be used to seriously damage a fighter doesn't need hard evidence. Just common sense. You take a good fighter and you strengthen his attributes and he becomes a more dangerous fighter. You take a dangerous fighter and strengthen them and he becomes...I don't know? This is boxing we're talking about here.

Based on common sense, it's logical that PEDs should get a far worse punishment than low blows or rabbit punches or hitting on the break (all of which could also potentially cause serious harm or even death, but based on common sense, the likelihood of their doing so is far lower than in the case of PEDs); but it's equally logical for the same reason that PEDs should get a far lesser punishment than plaster, which is far more likely to directly cause serious harm.