Manny Pacquiao : Are We Asking the Right Questions?

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  • The Big Dunn
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    #111
    Originally posted by joelab75
    now you believe him? because he said so? he was the first one to say Manny was juicing? and nobody even follow only the *****S.
    Manny would comply to any drug testing as long as the Boxing Commission order it. not some pretender like Mayweather who suddenly want to clean the sport because his only proof was Manny is in another level knocking out bigger guys. doing the impossible thing makes you GREAT. that dude is a BIG FRAUD.
    Floyd asked for OST as a stip to making the fight. Manny had 3 options. Say yes, fights made. Say no, fight doesn't happen. Instead he chose option 3, give several excuses why he wont take tests. He made himself look bad. Can't blame floyd for Manny's fkip flopping.

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    • HandSpeed303
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      #112
      Originally posted by Big Dunn
      We agree. But we should also agree there is only one way to prove this. I posted this because joelab75 posted that only the mayweathers think manny is on something. Clearly, jim Lampley does too.

      For the record, I dont think manny is on PED's but his fli flopping reasons why he wouldn't take tests has made me concerened.
      You and I can agree somewhat on this. Though I think he is on something, just not a banned substance. 90% of top athletes are on something, but is that something banned? That should always be the question.

      I don't think Manny is on a "banned" substance.

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        #113
        Originally posted by HandSpeed303
        You and I can agree somewhat on this. Though I think he is on something, just not a banned substance. 90% of top athletes are on something, but is that something banned? That should always be the question.

        I don't think Manny is on a "banned" substance.
        If its not banned it wouldn't matter. This is specifically why I have so many concerns. If he is on a non banned substance just take tests. Its not that big a deal.

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          #114
          Originally posted by IMDAZED
          Thanks but I just don't take fighters at their word. Read my previous post - being naive is not my thing. And I don't care how many NSAC tests he's passed either. But after reading your post, I smell the usual stench of a *******: misinformed, d*ckriding and generally very dumb. So go quote someone else cuz I don't feel up for talking to a ******.
          Like I said this is about believing Floyd Sr. or not. Looks like you believe the crackhead more than the hardworking guy.......lol. Pacquiao is not Mosley or any other non-megastar boxer who will be willing to do Floyd's biddings. Like Floyd, Pac has his own throne. Pac can make all the other fighters suck his **** before fighting him just like Floyd. It's just too bad, the fans are suffering having two megastars.

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            #115
            Originally posted by Flomo Tard
            Reminder:

            The only proof that the felon criminal ex-convict drug trafficker Floyd Mayweather Sr. has that Pacquiao is supposed to be on PEDs is that Pacquiao is excellent.

            This TS article is ***** Propaganda based on the assertions of a drug dealer criminal who bore a son with a drug addict wife. A son who went on to become a woman beater like his Uncle Roger.

            I'm not fooled by the general boxing tone of the ***** Propaganda article that is based on the assertions of a FACTUAL criminal family making false OPINIONS about the Fighter of the Decade.

            But I can understand why the drug trade supporting and woman beating supporting *****s love it.
            WTF?



            again,

            WTF?

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              #116
              Originally posted by IMDAZED
              That would be ideal. however, It is up to the USADA. And they know better than we do.
              yes, they know better than we do. BUT, the likes of CONTE could be laughing on what the USADA does.

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                #117
                Should we even be asking questions? Just sit back and enjoy some fights.

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                  #118
                  Originally posted by Chups
                  Like I said this is about believing Floyd Sr. or not. Looks like you believe the crackhead more than the hardworking guy.......lol. Pacquiao is not Mosley or any other non-megastar boxer who will be willing to do Floyd's biddings. Like Floyd, Pac has his own throne. Pac can make all the other fighters suck his **** before fighting him just like Floyd. It's just too bad, the fans are suffering having two megastars.
                  i just dont understand why floyd sr, has still people believe him. when i doubt if his son even trust him.

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                    #119
                    Originally posted by IMDAZED
                    Floyd has already awoken the commission. You think they don't read the papers? What did they do? have a meeting where they decided taking blood is dangerous . Look, now is not the time for red tape. Like I said, it starts with small steps.
                    really and nothing happens. he or somebody could start for a thing like this:

                    If Victor Conte were in charge of regulating boxing, the former BALCO founder said that he would create a national independent commission that would require 365-days-per-year of random testing of the top 10-rated fighters in each weight class for both blood and urine.

                    And Conte would appoint former ringside doctor, Margaret Goodman, to run it.

                    "You can't test everybody because you just don't have the resources, but if a new, anti-doping commission was established for boxing, a place to start would be the top 10 ranked fighters. If you're in the top 10, you're subjected to random testing, 24/7, 365 days per year," said Conte, adding that the "Top 50" or "Top 100" in every single track and field event are similarly scrutinized.

                    "That's what should happen when you get into the top 10 of boxers per weight class. You are now on the list, and you have to provide whereabout forms," said Conte. "If you're on your way to working toward a championship, then you should be tested. Or, as soon as you sign to fight somebody in the top 10, then you've entered that pool as an opponent, and you should be tested."

                    As an advocate for blood testing in boxing and the MMA as a means of policing and improving those sports for the safety of its participants, Goodman said that she would graciously accept the role if created.

                    "Questioning people's motives to gain the upper hand happens all too often in boxing and MMA. So, I believe Mr. Conte is right, and that the only way to handle the issue is for commissions to relinquish this job to a separate organization," said Goodman, a former Nevada State Athletic Commission Medical Advisory Board Chairman and Chief Ringside Physician.

                    "It needs to be handled by someone with no dog in this fight. It needs to be managed by an independent agency not affiliated with a specific commission, and it needs to be separate from any promotional company," said Goodman. "Because most of them [commissions] have no desire to ramp up drug testing due to cost and the possibility of canceling bouts at the last minute."

                    In a boxing first, however, one that Goodman and Conte applaud as a step in the right direction, the United States Anti-Doping Agency implemented random testing of blood and urine on both Floyd Mayweather and Shane Mosley during the lead up to their May 1 clash won by Mayweather at The MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

                    "I think that it was great that the USADA helped ramp up PED testing for Mosley-Mayweather. This experience has shown us a great deal. First, it has demonstrated how routine drug testing in boxing and MMA is inadequate everywhere in this country," said Goodman, who has a private practice as a neurologist in Las Vegas, and who worked more than 400 professional bouts.

                    "Second, it demonstrated that few commissions, if any, are willing to jump up to the plate and really deal with the problem. And, third, it, unfortunately, showed how we need a separate agency to handle the problem," said Goodman. "There are so many issues that plague this sport [boxing], but perception is reality despite the facts. Boxing's credibility can improve considerably by advancing drug testing procedures free of conflicts of interest by utilizing an outside entity."

                    Earlier this week, the USADA test results from Mayweather-Mosley were released. Mayweather had both blood and urine taken on March 22, April 1, April 13 and then on the night directly after the fight.

                    Mayweather reportedly provided urine only on April 3, April 6, April 21 and April 24.

                    Meanwhile, Mosley, who claims that he unknowingly used the steroids "the cream" and 'the clear" obtained from Conte, provided both blood and urine on March 23, March 31, April 12 and directly after the bout on fight night.

                    Mosley provided urine on April 3, April 6, April 21 and April 24.

                    "There's a host of significant and potent performance-enhancing drugs that only blood will detect," said USADA chief executive director, Travis Tygart, during a January interview with FanHouse. "Those include human growth hormone [HGH]; HBOC -- and that is synthetic hemoglobin; transfusions; certain forms of EPO, such as Mircera, which is essentially a designer EPO."

                    Conte and Goodman agree that blood testing can be a deterrent to cheating, but they question why the pugilists' blood was not drawn closer to the fight.

                    The negotiations for a proposed mega fight between Mayweather and seven-division titlist Manny Pacquiao reached an impasse over the issue of drug testing.

                    Mayweather wanted random testing -- with no give at all. Meanwhile, Pacquiao, most recently, has reportedly said that he would be willing to have blood drawn within 14 days of the bout.

                    Prior to this assertion, however, Pacquiao was reluctant to be tested so close to the bout claiming that having his blood drawn weakens him.

                    "Jamaican sprinter, Asafa Powell, complained of the same thing before the Beijing Olympics, and it may be entirely psychological. So you still have to factor that in," said Conte (pictured at right) of Powell, who won a gold medal and set the world and Olympic record with his 400-meter relay team.

                    "If somebody doesn't like it, and they don't want it and they have an adverse reaction to it, then I understand that. But the only way to do it is to test 24/7 when they're preparing months and months before a fight, and not just five weeks out."

                    And, said Conte, a 14-day cutoff is not random testing.

                    "What I'm saying is that if you're going to implement truly random blood testing, then it can't be, for example, 'Well, five weeks out from the fight, we're going to make a big whoop-de-doo about this collecting of samples.' Well, that doesn't mean that they weren't using steroids for six months before that," said Conte.

                    "As it applies to Mayweather-Mosley, for example, I have no idea why they didn't test blood for 19 days before the fight. If you're just testing a couple of weeks [18 to 19 days] before the fight, then they could have used all of the drugs before that and let it taper off," said Conte.

                    "But there are many ways to circumvent this program that they used for the Mayweather-Mosley fight. I understand that the threat was there. Is it a deterrent? Yes it is. Is it a good thing? Yes it is," said Conte. "But is it fullproof? Absolutely not. The effect of what they did was that when the drug testing started, they're clean. But they can still maintain the benefit of the usage all the way up to and through the fight."

                    Goodman agreed, indicating that the long, window between the final day of blood testing and the fight impuned the system and the good intentions of Mayweather, who has vowed to champion the inclusion of random testing.

                    "I, too, was concerned about the lack of blood testing of Mosley and Mayweather right up until their fight. It unnecessarily promoted conspiracy theories as to why a fighter [Mosley] who had previously admitted EPO use was not thoroughly examined," said Goodman, adding that "the testing needs to be tailored to boxing and MMA."

                    "It was absurd that the fighters were not checked for numbing agents such as lidocaine or xylocaine before and after the fight, when one fighter [Mayweather] has admitted using these agents before for sore hands. No fighter should fight nor face an opponent with numb hands," said Goodman. "Both fighters wanted to demonstrate that they fought free of PEDs that night. That was not adequately accomplished, which is a shame for the participants, whom I do believe fought clean."

                    In another move, WBA super middlweight (168 pounds) champion, Andre Ward and challenger Allan Green are mutually pushing for the inclusion of random blood and urine testing for their June 19 title bout at The Oracle Arena in Ward's hometown of Oakland, Calif.

                    "More and more fighters are stepping forward and asking for extensive PED testing. They want to fight a clean opponent. Yet, the powers that be continue to ignore their requests," said Goodman.

                    "I have always hoped that boxers would create their own union to speak up for them when it came to adequate healthcare, along with things like overseeing drug testing," said Goodman. "I know many would help boxers create such an association that would protect them and even help design a pension fund to help them after retirement."

                    source:http://boxing.fanhouse.com/2010/05/2...ng-for-boxing/

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                      #120
                      Originally posted by Chups
                      Like I said this is about believing Floyd Sr. or not. Looks like you believe the crackhead more than the hardworking guy.......lol. Pacquiao is not Mosley or any other non-megastar boxer who will be willing to do Floyd's biddings. Like Floyd, Pac has his own throne. Pac can make all the other fighters suck his **** before fighting him just like Floyd. It's just too bad, the fans are suffering having two megastars.
                      pac and his teams actions brought su****ion on to himself.

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