manny pacquiao exposed for ducking opponents

[The Big Dunn]

lol, yes buddy.
cotto, clottey, and upcoming(that better) Margarito is better.
oh and beat hatton at hattons natural weight, not the 147 guy that got hurt by feather punching collazo.....


no idea why you said Brussels, that was not at 147. and Baldo, your joking right?

Yeah youre right should put Corley. Cotto, respectfully was not at 147 but 145 and marg fight hasn't happened, and it wont at 147 but at 150/151. So I'll give you another chance to at least be credible.

At 147, floyd HAS FOUGHT shane, zab, baldo, hatton, while Manny HAS FOUGHT ONLY Josh clottey? Whose resume at 147 is better?

[Doctor_Tenma]

lol, yes buddy.
cotto, clottey, and upcoming(that better) Margarito is better.
oh and beat hatton at hattons natural weight, not the 147 guy that got hurt by feather punching collazo.....


no idea why you said Brussels, that was not at 147. and Baldo, your joking right?

Collazo isn't feather fisted and most had Collazo beating the current WBC champ in Berto. The fact that Hatton was able to squeeze out a win against Collazo proved that he can compete there. Collazo aint no slouch man.

Also, Hatton at 140 was no better then Hatton at 147, same ol Hatton.

[ballgamessuck]

Why is what he is saying "twisting it around?" Because he is showing something negative about Pac? Fact is, he had the chance to fight the guy that was considered the best WW in the world and they didn't want it. They wanted to drain him to get the advantage and, when he agreed to that, they STILL decided to take on the guy that looked very mediocre in his previous 2 fights and got bludgeoned b4 that. Regardless of whether u think he was considered a monster or not, he was the best welterweight and Pac has a habit in, as he moved up, not taking the belt from the best fighters in the division.

Every word of the above post is a distortion of the truth. Firstly, it is a FACT that Paq had agreed to fight Cotto BEFORE Shane inserted himself into the discussion, they were having a discussion about the weight, and it was resolved rather easily. Do you understand the meaning of FACT? What I just stated is a FACT. Number two, Paq and his team did not try to drain SSM, they were stuck on 143 vs Cotto, SSM popped into the picture and stated that he would be willing to fight Paq at 140. Paq and his camp never suggested that their next fight would be at 140 regardless of the opponent. Cotto rightfully refused to drop to 143, and Paq wound up fighting Cotto at 145 instead of fighting a man Cotto had already beaten at 140. This is a FACT. Do you honestly believe SSM at 140 would have been a bigger challenge than Cotto at 145? Paq took the bigger of the two challenges.

[The Future]

Yeah youre right should put Corley. Cotto, respectfully was not at 147 but 145 and marg fight hasn't happened, and it wont at 147 but at 150/151. So I'll give you another chance to at least be credible.

At 147, floyd HAS FOUGHT shane, zab, baldo, hatton, while Manny has fought ONLY Josh clottey? Whose resume at 147 is better?

ok sure, since obviously you are hooking onto the whole catch weight thing because i guess Manny would not have beat them regardless..

sure Floyds resume with no catch weights is better.
but i will say mannys last 6 fights are still better than Floyds last 6 fights.
theres no question about that.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Every word of the above post is a distortion of the truth. Firstly, it is a FACT that Paq had agreed to fight Cotto BEFORE Shane inserted himself into the discussion, they were having a discussion about the weight, and it was resolved rather easily. Do you understand the meaning of FACT? What I just stated is a FACT. Number two, Paq and his team did not try to drain SSM, they were stuck on 143 vs Cotto, SSM popped into the picture and stated that he would be willing to fight Paq at 140. Paq and his camp never suggested that their next fight would be at 140 regardless of the opponent. Cotto rightfully refused to drop to 143, and Paq wound up fighting Cotto at 145 instead of fighting a man Cotto had already beaten at 140. This is a FACT. Do you honestly believe SSM at 140 would have been a bigger challenge than Cotto at 145? Paq took the bigger of the two challenges.

No they did, they also wanted Mosley at 143.

[The Big Dunn]

Floyd:
Mosley (#1 ww),
JMM (#2 p4p up from lightweight),
Hatton (undefeated top 6 p4p, up from 140),
ODH (154 lb champ at 154),
Baldomir (lineal and undisputed 147 lb champ),
zab ( top 2 ww IBF champ, lost to baldo fight was already signed)

Manny:
Josh Clottey (top 6 ww)
Cotto (147 lb champ fight at 145 lb catcthweight)
Hatton ( 140lb lineal champ, back down to 147 after going for collazo and floyd)
ODH (147 lbs)
David Diaz (135 lbs wbc title)
JMM (rematch 126 lbs for ring title)

Now look at this and tell me who is better in the last 6 fights. Take out common opponents (give manny edge with JMM give floyd edge with ODH and Hatton).

Are cotto, diaz, and clottey better than Mosley, Baldo and Zab?

[Pacquiao'd]

you dont have to rehash anything people read what you said and mine and can determine whats up.

also, this video. Tszyu was already retired was he not?

also playing a video of someone saying he wants to do this or that, does not do anything. like i can find a video of Paul Williams calling out maywather.
talk is cheap

no, he wasnt

[Pacquiao'd]

Floyd:
Mosley (#1 ww),
JMM (#2 p4p up from lightweight),
Hatton (undefeated top 6 p4p, up from 140),
ODH (154 lb champ at 154),
Baldomir (lineal and undisputed 147 lb champ),
zab ( top 2 ww IBF champ, lost to baldo fight was already signed)

Manny:
Josh Clottey (top 6 ww)
Cotto (147 lb champ fight at 145 lb catcthweight)
Hatton ( 140lb lineal champ, back down to 147 after going for collazo and floyd)
ODH (147 lbs)
David Diaz (135 lbs wbc title)
JMM (rematch 126 lbs for ring title)

Now look at this and tell me who is better in the last 6 fights. Take out common opponents (give manny edge with JMM give floyd edge with ODH and Hatton).

Are cotto, diaz, and clottey better than Mosley, Baldo and Zab?

hes duckin and dodgin, right now

[IMDAZED]

Every word of the above post is a distortion of the truth. Firstly, it is a FACT that Paq had agreed to fight Cotto BEFORE Shane inserted himself into the discussion, they were having a discussion about the weight, and it was resolved rather easily. Do you understand the meaning of FACT? What I just stated is a FACT. Number two, Paq and his team did not try to drain SSM, they were stuck on 143 vs Cotto, SSM popped into the picture and stated that he would be willing to fight Paq at 140. Paq and his camp never suggested that their next fight would be at 140 regardless of the opponent. Cotto rightfully refused to drop to 143, and Paq wound up fighting Cotto at 145 instead of fighting a man Cotto had already beaten at 140. This is a FACT. Do you honestly believe SSM at 140 would have been a bigger challenge than Cotto at 145? Paq took the bigger of the two challenges.

This is all lies with regards to when Pac chose to fight Cotto. Mosley was calling Pac out in February of 2009. And didn't stop until the ink was dry on Cotto-Pacquiao. Pacquiao attended Cotto-Clottey to determine his next opponent. Basically, he ignored Mosley and continued to do so.

[Khalid X]

I'm gonna multi-quote a lot of these comments because some of these are flat out ridiculous and the same posters keep posting the same garbage, even thought it's been debunked several times.

Copeland you seem to be a reasonable Pac fan. You know that Goodman and Bob match him carefully. They watched the mistakes Murad Muhammad made and have been smart enough not to deviate from the plan.

While you cite casual fans opinion,the best measure of that is revenue generated. If public opinion really is what you say it is then Floyd would not be able to generate more than Manny. Casual fans buy into wat they see on TV. We don't have to here.

No disrespect to Manny, since he has been with top rank he has fought the same style fighter with the exception of JMM. Doesn't mean he isn't a great boxer but he has yet to display the ability to handle a multitude of styles.

What mistakes did Murad make? Also you can't win be match carefully and wing lineal titles at the same time. That is a contradiction no matter how you look at it.

And to say Manny has fought the same style, honestly shows a lack of boxing knowledge. Cotto and Clottey fight nothing alike. Neither do Morales and Marquez and other opponents.

You can but you show that you know very little. Clottey is not a top welter. Cotto was at 145 not 147. Marg fight hasn't happened and if/when it does its at 150 not at 147.

mayweather fought Zab, (#1 ww) Baldo (lineal and undisputed champ) and Shane (#1 consensus ww).

Manny has avoided the 2 best ww's in the world, Floyd and Shane. In fact, manny has never fought the BEST fighter at any weight since 126.

Dude Manny hasn't avoided Shane. You act like boxing is a video game in which you can fight everyone in your division. It came down to Cotto and Shane and no matter what there would have been an excuse. Manny fights Shane then it's "Why are you fighting the loser of their fight"......same b.s. people bash Manny for doing by fighting Morales instead of Raheem.

It's funny you bring up clottey not being a top WW when he basically beat Judah and Baldomir.....Floyd's best win at WW prior to Shane.

[QUOTE=comanick;9096018]

You can but you show that you know very little. Clottey is not a top welter. Cotto was at 145 not 147. Marg fight hasn't happened and if/when it does its at 150 not at 147.

mayweather fought Zab, (#1 ww) Baldo (lineal and undisputed champ) and Shane (#1 consensus ww).

Manny has avoided the 2 best ww's in the world, Floyd and Shane. In fact, manny has never fought the BEST fighter at any weight since 126.[/QUOTE]

I agree. i have been saying this for a year now. Pac is just as big a ducker as floyd. (even though i dont think either are really duckers) Pac has not fought the number 1 guy in any division in a while but supposedly he will fight anyone. That BS. He will only fight you if you are a plodder. You have to have slow hand and foot speed before pac will ever get in the ring with you. To me the p4p best is the person that can beat all styles. That is not Pac.

Marquez and Barrera were the #1 and #2 guys at 130. Hatton was the number #1 guy at 140. Any one who says other wise is either lying or hating.

Top 6 is not top. The TOP ww's are floyd and shane. manny didn't fight them. Manny fought cotto (#3) and clottey (#6 by your own admission). I didn't say manny should fight zab. I said floyd fought him when he was a top ww.

In January Manny didn't agree to OST even though floyd agreed to all his stips. Manny walked away from fight. If you believe Margarito's Feb 22, 2010 interview posted on this site, then Bob promised him a NOvember fight with Pac. So in no way was Manny going to fight floyd in November.

Baldo was not the best ww in 2006. I didn't say he was a top fighter. He was the undisputed lineal champ. manny had an opportunity to fight the lineal champ (shane) but didn't.

No matter if I am a floyd fan I have listed facts. Try and refute them with facts. Like I said Manny has not fought the best fighter at any weight since 126.

again he has won the lineal title at 130 and 140....how the hell is that not fighting the best? Do you even know how lineals are won?

When are people going to let go of this "ducking" BS? It's ****ing sixth grader-ish. Fighters with credentials like Pac and Floyd aren't afraid of ANY fighter. But they, like all others who reach top status, reserve the right to cherry-pick. That's just how it goes. Boxing has always been that way.

As much as me and this guy debate and don't like each other, this is the most reasonable reply is the thread. I couldn't have said it better myself.

The funny thing is I never used the word duck. So why would you? All I said was floyd fought the best fighter above 126 (Castillo, Corales, Shane) Manny hasn't.

At 147 manny has fought ONLY Josh Clottey. at 147 floyd has fought shane, baldo, zab, hatton, and brussels. Josh is better than all 5 combined? If I am correct, Manny fought cotto at 145. manny has fought better comp at 145 than Floyd has.

The point is Manny fought Hatton after his 1st KO. We should be able to agree that had somewhat of an affect on Hatton.

And no there is no signed agreement in place for manny and marg to fight.

The only one on that list that is arguable better than Clottey at 147 is Mosley.

When does Pacquiao give the thumbs down? In the bold, as of late he hasn't.

If you want recent examples then it's
Foreman at 154
Cotto at 154