There's no doubt in my mind Capetillo load Marg's wraps for Miguel Cotto fight!

[KickAzz]

anyone who believe that he loaded his gloves for the first time against shane, is a fool

you have some definite proof then right?

[Nuurzhaelan]

how long has it been now?

Get over it.

Innocent until proven guilty I thought,

That's an american thing, and then, just in a court of law. This is public opinion we are discussing here. Public opinion largely favors the belief that margachito cheated against Cotto. We cannot prove it, but there is evidence to support it, things margachito's supporters will dismiss out of hand, but it IS evidence.

In the court of public opinion, which is the only court that matters at this point, margachito is GUILTY. He has to prove himself innocent, and he cannot do that. Too bad, so sad. Stop whining about him not getting a fair shake.

[SirTomJones]

That's an american thing, and then, just in a court of law. This is public opinion we are discussing here. Public opinion largely favors the belief that margachito cheated against Cotto. We cannot prove it, but there is evidence to support it, things margachito's supporters will dismiss out of hand, but it IS evidence.

In the court of public opinion, which is the only court that matters at this point, margachito is GUILTY. He has to prove himself innocent, and he cannot do that. Too bad, so sad. Stop whining about him not getting a fair shake.

Care to explain what evidence there is that he cheated against Cotto?

[BattlingNelson]

anyone who believe that he loaded his gloves for the first time against shane, is a fool

I agree. Think about it. Why would Capetillo start the cheating with the Mosley fight? It makes no sense. No it was more likely that the Williams defeat made Capetillo look for ways to gain an edge. Enter illegal wraps.

[rj_ct]

We'll never know for sure, but Cotto fought the wrong fight. He was extremely tight and used up a lot of excess energy with wasted lateral movement when he just got trapped on the ropes anyway.

If he was going to fight Margarito on the inside, he should have met him in the middle of the ring, not on the ropes.

[SirTomJones]

Yeah, now Maragarito slaps with his punches like Joe 'Italian Dragon ' Calzaghe does. Coincidence my ass!

O if he starts boxing like Calzaghe then I will change my prediction to Margarito winning every round against Manny apart from in the first round where he will get knocked down

[starkiller]

O if he starts boxing like Calzaghe then I will change my prediction to Margarito winning every round against Manny apart from in the first round where he will get knocked down

I was talking about Calz power and the way he slaps, not skills. Margarito will never have Calzaghes skills. If Margarito had Calz's skills and speed then he'd cause Manny problems. I still wouldn't pick him to beat Pacquiao because I think Pacquiao and Calz skills are comparable but I don't think Margarito is a hard puncher at all because personally I think he cheated through-out his career. P4P, Pacquiao is the far superior puncher.

[KickAzz]

I agree. Think about it. Why would Capetillo start the cheating with the Mosley fight? It makes no sense. No it was more likely that the Williams defeat made Capetillo look for ways to gain an edge. Enter illegal wraps.

you make an interesting case. now can you back it up with evidence

[Nuurzhaelan]

Care to explain what evidence there is that he cheated against Cotto?

I put up punch counts from compubox as evidence which was dismissed out of hand by some. I put up a video which no one seemed to acknowledge (probably because it's all been done before), then there are margachito's words, his contradictions and so forth. It's all there on the internet if you care to read it. It has been explained before.

It is not overly compelling, but it could raise the brow of a discerning fan. In light of what he has been caught doing, some of it should make a neutral boxing fan pause. I am not going to delineate it here because I find it at least interesting and I suspect you would scoff at it. But, it's there on the internet if you care to search for it yourself.

If you believed he didn't but left room for the possibility that he did, then I would acknowledge and respect your opinion. I have stated that we do not know and can probably never know that margachito fought dirty against Cotto or others. I suspect it. I believe it, but I leave room for the possibility that I am wrong.

If I could, somehow, find out with absolute certainty that he did not cheat, I would be among the first to apologize and eat some crow. But...this has not happened and I do not think it can happen. We cannot prove he cheated and we cannot prove he did not. His entire career is suspect, and I don't buy into that rubbish 'innocent until proven guilty'. I am not going to give someone the benefit of the doubt...not here. For me there is simply too much doubt.

[Dick Buffman]

That's an american thing, and then, just in a court of law. This is public opinion we are discussing here. Public opinion largely favors the belief that margachito cheated against Cotto. We cannot prove it, but there is evidence to support it, things margachito's supporters will dismiss out of hand, but it IS evidence.

In the court of public opinion, which is the only court that matters at this point, margachito is GUILTY. He has to prove himself innocent, and he cannot do that. Too bad, so sad. Stop whining about him not getting a fair shake.

Great reasoning Adolph Hitler Jr.

If that was true, then Mayweather should be stoned to death since public opinion of him is in the gutter.

I don't know how they do things in whatever jerkwater country you're from, but in America you actually need to be tried in front of a jury of your peers within a fair trail before you can take someone's freedom and livelihood away.

I wouldn't expect you to understand liberty or its basic tenets though.