Lets get something straight about Maidana............

[Dick Buffman]

You're a fucking *******. You really don't believe half the **** you say man. Maidana is all power and heart, THATS IT. I thought I was never gonna get through the Alexander hype, but the Maidana one is even worse. I'm losing patience here too, I can't wait to see you feel ******.

Nah, you're just a one dimensional boxing analyst. You fail to see that power and heart isn't enough.

It takes a lot of skills to be able to surgically impose that power and skill on another man and destroy him.

Its not as easy as it looks. But then again, you only appreciate one style of fighter so I wouldn't expect you understand anything past your narrow scope of reference.

I suppose if Maidana was a safety first "cutie" you might better be suited to judge him. Until you broaden your boxing horizons, you should stop speaking about fighters like him altogether.

[Dick Buffman]

Ain't nobody on their period right now bro, and I am very level headed right now But, you just talking out of your ass and coming with this weak **** right now...

I am not questioning Maidana heart. Ortiz does hit hard and Maidana got up from the knockdowns and did his job. Dude has heart no question about it.

Ortiz on the otherhand doesn't. You on here ****tin on Bradley and Alexander but at the same time somewhat biggin up Ortiz. And, again I am really surprised this coming from you.

I always thought you would be the first one to jump on a heartless qutting hypejob like Ortiz. But, it seems on this thread you giving him a pass and taking shots on fighters who never and I mean ever quit.

You saying that Bradley doesn't hit as hard as Ortiz. True, but does Kotelnik hit as hard as Ortiz? Kotelnik beat Maidana so apparently you don't need to hit as hard as Ortiz to beat Maidana now do you?

Lets get this straight 2 guys that you're shttin on came knocking on Maidana door, and Maidana faked a back injury. Not wanting to get screwed or whatever he faked a back injury. Instead of ****tin on Bradley and Alexander why not give them props for willing to fight this so called bad ass? Even though this so called bad ass is ducking a rematch against a heartless, qutting, hypejob....Lets face it the only guy he wants to fight is Khan just cuz of the prospect of Khan weak chin that might seem like an easy win.

But, how wrong he is. He can't be any of the top 4 JWWs (maybe can beat Kotelnik in a rematch, maybe), and a rematch with a heartless, quitting, hypejob would not be a guaranteed win either.

All I'll say is that Kotelnik is far craftier than I think any of us appreciated.

The rest of your post we're just gonna butt heads on. But I'll say this, when Maidana gets in the ring with any of these guys, I'll lay massive bets with you.

I'll be your huckleberry.

[jrosales13]

All I'll say is that Kotelnik is far craftier than I think any of us appreciated.

The rest of your post we're just gonna butt heads on. But I'll say this, when Maidana gets in the ring with any of these guys, I'll lay massive bets with you.

I'll be your huckleberry.

And, I will take that bet.

But, the bad thing for me is that it will never happen.

Anytime one of those names come calling. Maidana will either ignore them(like he is doing with the heartless, quitting, hypejob) or fake an injury(like he did with Khan and Bradley)

[Dick Buffman]

People like Platano man need to stop being wrong about fighters like Maidana.

If your critique of them was correct or true in anyway, they wouldn't continually somehow "miraculously" beat the odds and whoop up on running "defensive cuties"...

If all they have is heart and power how are they consistently beating all these supposedly more skilled guys.

The problem with your critiques is that you don't give them enough credit. You say they're crap, then when they k.o or even decision guys supposedly better you chalk it up to luck.

Its not luck, they're just actually good. And it reflects poorly on you to be so stubborn about admitting it.

I see this argument with Cloud and Dawson.

"Dawson would box circles around Cloud" (read run away and try to win a controversial decision)

But if Cloud wins, then somehow he was just lucky, Dawson had an "off night" or whatever.

Bullshit. Cloud is good enough to knock Dawsons ass out.

End of story.

[Dick Buffman]

And, I will take that bet.

But, the bad thing for me is that it will never happen.

Anytime one of those names come calling. Maidana will either ignore them(like he is doing with the heartless, quitting, hypejob) or fake an injury(like he did with Khan and Bradley)

Why in the butt**** would Maidana rematch Ortiz?

Thats even more pointless than a Cotto/Pac rematch. At least Cotto made it to the 12th.

Ortiz didn't even see the 7th round.

Maidana wants Khan and Bradley. Hopefully he gets them both so they could be knocked out by him.

Alexander would be easier work imo since he's pretty easily controlled and seems to have a suspect chin to me.

I don't view him as a champ anyway since he clearly lost to Kotelnik. I'd rather see Maidana/Kotelnik 2 than a fight with Alexander.

[jrosales13]

Why in the butt**** would Maidana rematch Ortiz?

Thats even more pointless than a Cotto/Pac rematch. At least Cotto made it to the 12th.

Ortiz didn't even see the 7th round.

Maidana wants Khan and Bradley. Hopefully he gets them both so they could be knocked out by him.

Alexander would be easier work imo since he's pretty easily controlled and seems to have a suspect chin to me.

I don't view him as a champ anyway since he clearly lost to Kotelnik. I'd rather see Maidana/Kotelnik 2 than a fight with Alexander.

Well since Cotto never had Pac hurt or dropped that rematch is pretty pointless. However, that is not the same thing as Ortiz-Maidana. Terrible comparison.

He ignores a rematch and fakes injuries in ways to get out of fights.

Who is he fighting next? Chop Chop? What a warrior and fights all comers this guy is....

If he doesn't man up soon. At the end of the year this guy will be an official DUCK.

[Rome-By-Ko]

**** Buffman.You said Bradley is the weakest link at 140lb??Yet fought the best fighters there at the time and owns the best resume??Please explain??

[Dynamite Kid]

LOL, Ortiz would have gone on to be knocked the *** out. He had just gotten up from a knockdown and was a sitting duck if he wouldn't have quit it wouldn't have lasted a minute more.

Boxing is not just about skill it's also about your will to fight. If Bradley or Kahn can keep it a boxing match against Maidana then I agree they would win. But guys like Bradley and Kahn come to box and Maidana comes to fight he's there to beat the **** out of his opponents. And that's a bad matchup for anyone.

If you think Maidana is an easy fight for anyone you better think again or you'll end up just as surprised as Ortiz.

Well i see it like this, Maidana is a consistent fighter who can punch, but he is also very hittable, hurtable himself, he is also very slow of hand and most notably, of foot, thats why if/when he does fight these type of guys, he will generally always be playing catch up in those fights, unless he can land early, but you then have to figure in, that most aggressive fighters, pressure fighters take a few rounds to get cranked up.


Maidana might! be capable of catching upto one of these guys with a poor chin, but again, thats if he can catch upto them, he will either score a signature win over one em, or maybe his career fizzles out as he loses decisions to most, if not all, but by then, the people reping him right now, will be the ones saying, he was all hype to begin with.

Maidana is capable of scoring an upset over one of these guys, but i cant say he should be treated like he should be in some tourney to establish who is the best, he is a good test, a dangerous test, but thats all he is, a test to see if you have the minimals to forefill your potential, kinda like a dangerous stepping stone.

[BMWM3P]

Well i see it like this, Maidana is a consistent fighter who can punch, but he is also very hittable, hurtable himself, he is also very slow of hand and most notably, of foot, thats why if/when he does fight these type of guys, he will generally always be playing catch up in those fights, unless he can land early, but you then have to figure in, that most aggressive fighters, pressure fighters take a few rounds to get cranked up.


Maidana might! be capable of catching upto one of these guys with a poor chin, but again, thats if he can catch upto them, he will either score a signature win over one em, or maybe his career fizzles out as he loses decisions to most, if not all, but by then, the people reping him right now, will be the ones saying, he was all hype to begin with.

Maidana is capable of scoring an upset over one of these guys, but i cant say he should be treated like he should be in some tourney to establish who is the best, he is a good test, a dangerous test, but thats all he is, a test to see if you have the minimals to forefill your potential, kinda like a dangerous stepping stone.

Ortiz took the test and look at what happened. You talk the way you do about Ortiz now because he lost to Maidana but if that fight wouldn't have happened most of you would put him up there with Kahn and Bradley. Like it or not Maidana is one of the top fighters at 140 if there's a tourney he needs to in it. He's earned the fight the top guys and I'll be rooting for him every step of the way. Anyone who dismisses him will be in for a rude awakening.

[Dynamite Kid]

Ortiz took the test and look at what happened. You talk the way you do about Ortiz now because he lost to Maidana but if that fight wouldn't have happened most of you would put him up there with Kahn and Bradley. Like it or not Maidana is one of the top fighters at 140 if there's a tourney he needs to in it. He's earned the fight the top guys and I'll be rooting for him every step of the way. Anyone who dismisses him will be in for a rude awakening.

I talk like that because Ortiz quit, there was no resulting loss by KO, or be decision, i want to see if he beats someone of that caliber if he continues to fight, now you might say the tide was in his favour at the point it was stopped, still dont change the fact that Ortiz could of gone on, and who knows, may have regrouped and go on to win.

Its not like Ortiz was taking a Cotto like beating.