The Great Tyson Debate

[TKODoll]

its the truth? how am i an idiot,

You're not an idiot. This JUYJUY guy is just a pathetic troll who joins many message boards to piss people off. PM me for details.

[TKODoll]

That's three years more than you held it.

What are you implying, JUYJUY? This poster never held the title so he can't comment on boxing? By that logic, you can't comment, either, JUYJUY. Ignore JUYJUY, people. He's mentally ill.

[paul750]

as someone mentioned on another thread one time, Tyson did not even beat a fighter of the calibre of Ray Mercer, yes spinks was a great fighter, but most of the guys who tyson fought lost the fight in the dressing room.

[TKODoll]

I'm sure he regrets it and we all make mistakes.

The old mistake argument again. A mistake is going to the store and buying the wrong kind of soup. Tyson biting Holyfield is no mistake. Tyson's just a ****ed-up, insane prick who couldn't handle getting his ass kicked by Holyfield.

[Jarlaxle]

Did you just put Joe Louis #9. Joe Louis was the most accomplished heavyweight of all time. He had 26 title defenses. Ali & Louis are #1 & 2 period. I put Marciano in the top 5, the guy retired undefeated with 49 wins. How many boxers you can find that retired undefeated.

The era of Louis and Marciano was weak and small.
Neither of them had the boxing ability to out box Ali, Holmes or Johnson. They are too small and unskilled for Foreman, and Liston. I think Marciano would have a chance vs Tyson and Hollyfield and I think he KO's Dempsey but Lewis is too tall, too big, and too skilled. If Conn could hurt Louis then Louis would be KOed by Tyson and Dempsey, and he would be in a war with Lewis and Hollyfield. There are a couple guys I rate higher then Marciano and Louis that I think Marciano and Louis could beat but thats about matchups. I see Tyson matching up well against boxers like Ali, Holmes and Johnson kinda like how Frazier matched up well against Ali, but I could see Marciano beating Tyson(one hell of a fight). Problem with Marciano was that he was a Crusier weight who never fought quality big men and he does not have the style to fight small or the frame to put on quality weight. The problem with Louis was that he could be out boxed by great boxers and KOed by those with great power.

[Parodius]

The era of Louis and Marciano was weak and small.
Neither of them had the boxing ability to out box Ali, Holmes or Johnson. They are too small and unskilled for Foreman, and Liston. I think Marciano would have a chance vs Tyson and Hollyfield and I think he KO's Dempsey but Lewis is too tall, too big, and too skilled. If Conn could hurt Louis then Louis would be KOed by Tyson and Dempsey, and he would be in a war with Lewis and Hollyfield. There are a couple guys I rate higher then Marciano and Louis that I think Marciano and Louis could beat but thats about matchups. I see Tyson matching up well against boxers like Ali, Holmes and Johnson kinda like how Frazier matched up well against Ali, but I could see Marciano beating Tyson(one hell of a fight). Problem with Marciano was that he was a Crusier weight who never fought quality big men and he does not have the style to fight small or the frame to put on quality weight. The problem with Louis was that he could be out boxed by great boxers and KOed by those with great power.

The era of Joe Louis was much better era then Holmes, Lewis or Tyson. You can't compare the 2 eras, yes they were smaller, but they had much better boxers at the time of Joe Louis. Louis lost to Marciano when he was washed up, it was his last fight. He destroyed Max Schmeling in the rematch. Both Louis & Marciano accomplished so much more then any other heavyweight. Yes you can say that Marciano's era was week, because he beat most of the great washed up heavyweights, but he was W49-0 with 43 Ko's. The guy was undefeated & had an incredible KO ratio. Just for that he needs to be in the top 5 heavyweights of all time. Joe Louis was W 68 (54 ko's) - L 3, he also had an incredible KO ratio, he also had some great fighters fighting in his era, the guy defended his belts for 25 straight wins, this an all time record in boxing history. Joe Louis is the most accomplished HW boxer of all time. The guy should be #1 or 2. I don't think any heavyweight would've ever beaten Ali in his prime. Ali & Louis are #1 & 2. I think it's a spit in the face of Joe Louis for people to mentions Holmes, Holyfield or Lewis in the same class. We will never know who would've won the fights. It's who accomplished more & that is Joe Louis easily.

[JUYJUY]

Would've, okay, or would have. Not would of. By the way, ban this JUYJUY guy. He's a notorious troll on other boards. PM me for details. He's trouble, mate!

Give up, your not fooling anyone by copying and pasting MY replies to YOU (from other boards). Everybody knows who you are.

[JUYJUY]

You're not an idiot. This JUYJUY guy is just a pathetic troll who joins many message boards to piss people off. PM me for details.

Why are you copying and pasting messages that I wrote on other boards directed towards you? Why don't you just give up and go away? You've caused enough damage as it is (eg sending viruses to Larry Holmes' board that he himself posts on etc).

[Jarlaxle]

The era of Joe Louis was much better era then Holmes, Lewis or Tyson. You can't compare the 2 eras, yes they were smaller, but they had much better boxers at the time of Joe Louis.

I dont know what you are seeing but when I watch the guys Marciano and Louis fought after they had their titles I see a bunch of hacks who fight like Tua but weigh 20 pounds less then Tua. Walcott seemed pretty skilled but he was under 200 pounds too. I doubt he was much better then James Toney when it came to boxing skills and Toney out weighs him by 25 pounds. Conn was skilled too and Louis had trouble with both of those guys.

Louis lost to Marciano when he was washed up, it was his last fight. He destroyed Max Schmeling in the rematch.

That first loss to Schmeling was just a wake up call. It was good for Louis. If I was rating total career accomplishment I would rate Louis and Marciano higher then Tyson but I am going by what both fighters would do at their best. Tyson at his best beat guys like Mitch Green and Tony Tucker who were 6'5 230 with 80+ reach. Schmeling may have been a smart counter puncher but he was 195 when he fought Louis. Tyson would have KOed Schmeling before Schmeling got into the ring just like he did Spinks.

Both Louis & Marciano accomplished so much more then any other heavyweight. Yes you can say that Marciano's era was week, because he beat most of the great washed up heavyweights, but he was W49-0 with 43 Ko's. The guy was undefeated & had an incredible KO ratio. Just for that he needs to be in the top 5 heavyweights of all time. Joe Louis was W 68 (54 ko's) - L 3, he also had an incredible KO ratio, he also had some great fighters fighting in his era, the guy defended his belts for 25 straight wins, this an all time record in boxing history. Joe Louis is the most accomplished HW boxer of all time. The guy should be #1 or 2. I don't think any heavyweight would've ever beaten Ali in his prime. Ali & Louis are #1 & 2. I think it's a spit in the face of Joe Louis for people to mentions Holmes, Holyfield or Lewis in the same class. We will never know who would've won the fights. It's who accomplished more & that is Joe Louis easily.

Like I said I'm not going by all of their accomplishments. I'm looking at their skills, their comp, and the results. I put Holmes, Holyfield and Lewis in the ring with the guys Marciano fought and Holmes beats them all with ease, Holyfield loses one with hepatitis, Lewis comes in fat and loses one then kills the guy in the rematch. If Rocky would have beat Liston I would rank him 2 or 3 but the best guys he beat were Charles and a faded Archie Moore. Charles was 185. Man I would pick the Klit brothers to KO Ezzard Charles or any 180 pound fighter. Even at Roy Jones's best few people gave him a chance to beat one of the Klit brothers. I dont think Johnsons era was that great either but his style is so much like Bernard Hopkins and I pitty any heavyweight that would have to fight a legit 200-215 pound Hopkins.

[eja102088]

Tyson beat Spinks, Razor Ruddock, Trevor Berbick, Andrew Golota (who everyone on this site is saying is sooo goood) on weed, youngest champion of all time, first black heavyweight to unify the titles, and Tyson in his prime would own any boxer ever