Olympic Testing & Olympic STYLE Testing (Difference)

[The Big Dunn]

im working under the assumption that he was in fact cheating. if he was, it would be ****** to take drugs when he is being subjected to far stricter testing.

i really don't think he is cheating. his improvement was technical more than physical.

if he was, he would have been cheating when he was still in the lighter weights

His improvement wasn't technical it was economical, thats why its easy to think he cheated, even though I, like you, can't say for sure if he did.

Manny still has the same technical flaws. What is questionable to many fans is his ability to withstand punishment at higher weights from fighters who were not as good as those who gave him trouble previously. The other serious question is how someone could flame out so quick vs JMM (3 1st rd knocdowns) then lose 9 of the next 11 rds, then show so much power and stamina in subsequent fights.

[The Big Dunn]

I guess with your logic that some people can be that ******, then I guess Manny is a very smart guy for not accepting fully Random test right? Manny is roided, so he's not ****** enough to go Random coz he doesn't wanna get caught. He'll just have to fight someone else like Marg and still make tons of money and still get praised by critics as one of the best fighters out there.
Whew! good thing Manny didn't take that random, otherwise he would've got caught and his boxing career ruined! That was close Manny, GJ!!!!

So what can you say about Floyd then??? Coz from what I've been reading lately, Floyd seemed to be getting the worse side of this whole fiasco.

Your comical posts aside I never said Manny used. what I said was Manny is in a position that he doesn't have to accept stipulations he doesn't want to because he can be financially successful without fighting floyd. But, if he wants to make the most money possible this is a stipulation he would have to agree to because, whether you or he like it, floyd generates more money and as such, can ask ANY other fighter to agree to his stipulations if they want to receive the payday that come with fighting floyd.

It doesn't matter to me what the media say about floyd or manny. As an adult, i weigh the facts and form my own opinion. Don't you?

If you had read the previous posts you'd understand my point was Manny could have said that as a reason for not fighting and dealt with the media fallout because that was more "honest" and "real" then the "i felt weak from blood being drawn before the Morales fight thats why i lost" excuse because Morales was subjected to the same tes.

[Ryannn]

His improvement wasn't technical it was economical, thats why its easy to think he cheated, even though I, like you, can't say for sure if he did.

Manny still has the same technical flaws. What is questionable to many fans is his ability to withstand punishment at higher weights from fighters who were not as good as those who gave him trouble previously. The other serious question is how someone could flame out so quick vs JMM (3 1st rd knocdowns) then lose 9 of the next 11 rds, then show so much power and stamina in subsequent fights.

so your assuming it on one fight?

manny always had stamina... even when he was losing to singsurat and torrecampo.

he also always had chin. he was receiving insane amount of punches from barrera, morales, marquez and never went down.

manny always had chin.

his improvement was technical. he is still making mistakes, but not as much.

[The Big Dunn]

so your assuming it on one fight?

manny always had stamina... even when he was losing to singsurat and torrecampo.

he also always had chin. he was receiving insane amount of punches from barrera, morales, marquez and never went down.

manny always had chin.

his improvement was technical. he is still making mistakes, but not as much.

No ryanm I'm not. And don't ignore what I said. His improvement was economical. When he was with Murad Muhammad he was never this big. When he got with top rank they made him a star because of his style. If he did use PED's this was the real benefit. From $3 mil per fight to $12 mil.

[Mayabang]

why would you cheat if you know you are going through a test that is far stricter than the current? nobody's that ******.

Yes they are, thats why they get caught. The point is the testing in no way interrupts Manny's training, diet, sparring, running, film watching, or anything else that goes in to preparing for a fight. There is no valid professional reason for not taking them.

Now if the reasoning is **** floyd I don't have to do this just to fight him because I can make money elsewhere, fine. Say that and let the chips fall where they may.

Your comical posts aside I never said Manny used. what I said was Manny is in a position that he doesn't have to accept stipulations he doesn't want to because he can be financially successful without fighting floyd. But, if he wants to make the most money possible this is a stipulation he would have to agree to because, whether you or he like it, floyd generates more money and as such, can ask ANY other fighter to agree to his stipulations if they want to receive the payday that come with fighting floyd.

It doesn't matter to me what the media say about floyd or manny. As an adult, i weigh the facts and form my own opinion. Don't you?

If you had read the previous posts you'd understand my point was Manny could have said that as a reason for not fighting and dealt with the media fallout because that was more "honest" and "real" then the "i felt weak from blood being drawn before the Morales fight thats why i lost" excuse because Morales was subjected to the same tes.

Everyone makes excuses, but if I'm gonna pick which excuse to believe, I'll pick the one that actually had historical evidence, and I'm talking about Pac's excuse about being blood drained before Morales fight -- I assume you saw that old video interview right? I mean he did mention it way before he became big. It's makes more sense (to me atleast) to believe something that has been recorded than coming up with something new.

But for the record, Manny got outboxed by Morales that night.

[The Big Dunn]

Everyone makes excuses, but if I'm gonna pick which excuse to believe, I'll pick the one that actually had historical evidence, and I'm talking about Pac's excuse about being blood drained before Morales fight -- I assume you saw that old video interview right? I mean he did mention it way before he became big. It's makes more sense (to me atleast) to believe something that has been recorded than coming up with something new.

But for the record, Manny got outboxed by Morales that night.

And thats my only point. Manny made a bull**** excuse plain and simple. He followed that with the I'm afraid of needles, which he had to stop because mainstream media people pointed to his tatoos. Then he went with the 29 day thing only 24/7 had him on video giving blood 24 days out. That has historical video evidence as well.

There is no valid health or performance related reason to not take tests. There are valid economic reasons to refuse tests.

[Mayabang]

No ryanm I'm not. And don't ignore what I said. His improvement was economical. When he was with Murad Muhammad he was never this big. When he got with top rank they made him a star because of his style. If he did use PED's this was the real benefit. From $3 mil per fight to $12 mil.

Pac's improvement were both economical (Bob's Marketing expertise) and Technical (Freddie Roach).

[The Big Dunn]

Pac's improvement were both economical (Bob's Marketing expertise) and Technical (Freddie Roach).

I would disagree with technical to a certain extent because he still gets hit way too much and throws wide punches. Just as when he was with Murad he has a tough time with superior boxers, no matter their size, because of his poor defense and low accuracy. But he is better no doubt.

[Mayabang]

I would disagree with technical to a certain extent because he still gets hit way too much and throws wide punches. Just as when he was with Murad he has a tough time with superior boxers, no matter their size, because of his poor defense and low accuracy. But he is better no doubt.

I've watched Pac before he got big, and I always thought his lack of technique will get him KTFO since he's too agressive and punches wild, he was pretty much a brawler, leaving himself open ALOT. He had heart but I always thought he'd never get far with his lack of defense. Pac's movement and technique improved but being an offensive/agressive fighter, it's only natural to get countered. I don't see Pac being a great defensive fighter because that's just not what he is. It makes more sense to improve on his offensive efficiency and accuracy than focusing on his defense.

[The Big Dunn]

I've watched Pac before he got big, and I always thought his lack of technique will get him KTFO since he's too agressive and punches wild, he was pretty much a brawler, leaving himself open ALOT. He had heart but I always thought he'd never get far with his lack of defense. Pac's movement and technique improved but being an offensive/agressive fighter, it's only natural to get countered. I don't see Pac being a great defensive fighter because that's just not what he is. It makes more sense to improve on his offensive efficiency and accuracy than focusing on his defense.

The thing is as you generate more dollars you fight better caliber boxers (and those not "tailor made" for you) and defense becomes a bigger factor in winning/losing rounds. Ring generalship obviously isn't an issue when Pac and Morales are in the middle just teeing off on one another. It is an issue when facing a floyd or a JMM whose styles are not tailor made for Pac.