Comments Thread For: Caballero: I'm Ready To Replace Marquez, Fight Juanma

[Bhopreign]

by taking whatever offer was on the table. and since caba is a nobody like mtawga, he should do the same.

A nobody? Maybe to you. Who is Juanma? Cab is a known champ with 12 title defenses. Juanma wouldnt fight Cab if Cab took nothing and we all know that.

[istmeno]

So how did Mtawga get the fight?

i asked the same question in another threadand still haven't gotten an answer.

[istmeno]

by taking whatever offer was on the table. and since caba is a nobody like mtawga, he should do the same.

so the fighter who has uniified titles in a division, and proven himself in the ring should be treated the same as a journeyman with 12 losses who hasn't done anything.
you rican apologists are ridiculous.

and no i don't think celestino should get what marquez was going to get, but he does not need to be screwed over either.

[Mr. Fantastic]

so the fighter who has uniified titles in a division, and proven himself in the ring should be treated the same as a journeyman with 12 losses who hasn't done anything.
you rican apologists are ridiculous.

and no i don't think celestino should get what marquez was going to get, but he does not need to be screwed over either.

Best post in the thread.

Sorry I can't give you any more green K.

[prsi]

so the fighter who has uniified titles in a division, and proven himself in the ring should be treated the same as a journeyman with 12 losses who hasn't done anything.
you rican apologists are ridiculous.

and no i don't think celestino should get what marquez was going to get, but he does not need to be screwed over either.

I understand your point and in a perfect world that makes sense but not in boxing business which is based on money and who is the attraction whether is built based on a good promotional job(Arum), Great prospects, exciting fighters and/or hyped up boxers.
Beleive me Caballero has the accomplishments to probably earn more than Juanma or Gamboa, but the factor draw, fanbase and popularity are in Juanma and Gamboa's favor. An older Marguez brings more to the table for the mexican fanbase, PuertoRican vs Mexico rivary and especially on a historic Mexican weekend in Vegas. That right there will bring money thru the gate, sponsors, and ppv.
Now that Marguez is off there are a few boxers that can come close to that type of revenue with Juanma and Caballero is not one of them, therefore the purse will go lowere for both boxers and since the popularity, fan base and draw is on Juanma's side in comparrison to Caballero, Caballero can not demand the same privilege$. You also have to consider the bigger risk factor of losing to a guy that brings nothing to the table economic wise.
If Caballero really wants to go to bigger paydays he will have to accept fighting one of these exciting, well promoted and well known prospects (Juanma or Gamboa) under a very low demand from his side, and once he has beat one of them then he can lay back and demand if not, it is him who will be scerwing himself.

In the meantime the clocks keeps on clicking for him as he is in the mid 30's and he might never get to see his mega fight.

[Beater_of_ass]

I understand your point and in a perfect world that makes sense but not in boxing business which is based on money and who is the attraction whether is built based on a good promotional job(Arum), Great prospects, exciting fighters and/or hyped up boxers.
Beleive me Caballero has the accomplishments to probably earn more than Juanma or Gamboa, but the factor draw, fanbase and popularity are in Juanma and Gamboa's favor. An older Marguez brings more to the table for the mexican fanbase, PuertoRican vs Mexico rivary and especially on a historic Mexican weekend in Vegas. That right there will bring money thru the gate, sponsors, and ppv.
Now that Marguez is off there are a few boxers that can come close to that type of revenue with Juanma and Caballero is not one of them, therefore the purse will go lowere for both boxers and since the popularity, fan base and draw is on Juanma's side in comparrison to Caballero, Caballero can not demand the same privilege$. You also have to consider the bigger risk factor of losing to a guy that brings nothing to the table economic wise.
If Caballero really wants to go to bigger paydays he will have to accept fighting one of these exciting, well promoted and well known prospects (Juanma or Gamboa) under a very low demand from his side, and once he has beat one of them then he can lay back and demand if not, it is him who will be scerwing himself.

In the meantime the clocks keeps on clicking for him as he is in the mid 30's and he might never get to see his mega fight.

What he said.

Juanma can simply delay the fight with Marquez which is his best bet, however, the only suitable replacement is Cab. However, the fight would bomb in Vegas because Juanma is really only an east coast draw, for the moment at least, and Cab well he isn't a draw or a mexican which is why he can't get big fights. He's a nobody he might be able to fight well, but marketing is also just as important as record when getting big fights that is just the way it is. Ask Berto, Bradley, Williams, Maidana and a slew of other guys why they can't get fights. If they brought in Marquez money they'd actually get some fights but they can't do that. Juanma should fight Cab, that way people can stop discrediting him, but the fight has to be moved to east coast and possibly delayed. Actually... they should put Marquez or Cab vs Juanma with Cotto vs Chavez Jr and simply put the fight on PPV. HBO would surely pick up a card like that and with those names on it, it could hit 1 million buys.

[ChampBox@PR]

"Give Me what Rafa was getting or give me what juanma is getting" - celestino caballero.

He just priced himself out right there. and people say he is just willing to fight, lol

[prsi]

What he said.

Juanma can simply delay the fight with Marquez which is his best bet, however, the only suitable replacement is Cab. However, the fight would bomb in Vegas because Juanma is really only an east coast draw, for the moment at least, and Cab well he isn't a draw or a mexican which is why he can't get big fights. He's a nobody he might be able to fight well, but marketing is also just as important as record when getting big fights that is just the way it is. Ask Berto, Bradley, Williams, Maidana and a slew of other guys why they can't get fights. If they brought in Marquez money they'd actually get some fights but they can't do that. Juanma should fight Cab, that way people can stop discrediting him, but the fight has to be moved to east coast and possibly delayed. Actually... they should put Marquez or Cab vs Juanma with Cotto vs Chavez Jr and simply put the fight on PPV. HBO would surely pick up a card like that and with those names on it, it could hit 1 million buys.

Well said,
The problem here is that even if they decide to go to East Coast, now that there is no Mexican involved, and they try to take advantage of the PuertoRican fan base, Caballero will still demand equal privilege$$$ and with that, he will still be pricing himself out of the fight being him a high risk, low reward fighter.

[istmeno]

What he said.

Juanma can simply delay the fight with Marquez which is his best bet, however, the only suitable replacement is Cab. However, the fight would bomb in Vegas because Juanma is really only an east coast draw, for the moment at least, and Cab well he isn't a draw or a mexican which is why he can't get big fights. He's a nobody he might be able to fight well, but marketing is also just as important as record when getting big fights that is just the way it is. Ask Berto, Bradley, Williams, Maidana and a slew of other guys why they can't get fights. If they brought in Marquez money they'd actually get some fights but they can't do that. Juanma should fight Cab, that way people can stop discrediting him, but the fight has to be moved to east coast and possibly delayed. Actually... they should put Marquez or Cab vs Juanma with Cotto vs Chavez Jr and simply put the fight on PPV. HBO would surely pick up a card like that and with those names on it, it could hit 1 million buys.

i can agree with parts of your reply, but to be honest while marquez definitely brings the large mexican audience. but with this fight falling through, at this point if they want to save the date the buzz that has been going on for the past year and a half, is more than enough to make this fight a success. not near the level of a marquez fight, but it definitely will have thed attention of boxing fans who have followed all of this drama.

i disagree with the fact that a boxer needs to be marketed in order to become a draw. that is what is wrong with the sport today. the heavily marketed fighters are fighting what amounts to exhibitions where the outcome is known at the time they sign the contracts. that model may be good for the individual fighter, but it is bad for the sport. those of us that love the sport will watch damn near anything,, but if they want to get the "casual" fan, imo they need to put on more competitive fights. the casual fan wants to get his money's worthand set upfights turn them away rather than bring them in.

[istmeno]

Well said,
The problem here is that even if they decide to go to East Coast, now that there is no Mexican involved, and they try to take advantage of the PuertoRican fan base, Caballero will still demand equal privilege$$$ and with that, he will still be pricing himself out of the fight being him a high risk, low reward fighter.

actually New york is the right place for that fight. because you have support for both fighters as far as the gate goes. New York has the largest panamanian community outside of panama