Comments Thread For: Sergio Martinez-Paul Williams in Play For November 20

[IMDAZED]

Me = :wank:

Yes, that's is what you live for. Anyway, the idea that Martinez was unprepared can only apply both ways. And as his promoter stated, they were informed of a possible replacement bout as early as the summer, when Williams was scheduled to fight Pavlik in October. The bout was delayed again and moved to December. And wasn't cancelled until the end of October. With such little time, naturally Goosen would send out feelers to possible opponents. But note that the Martinez deal took only a couple days to get done. The only time you see that happening is when both fighters are in the same camp.

[Carpe Diem]

Make it happen...I'll have my money on Sergio when the fight is confirm.

[Ravens Fan]

Lets pick Pavlik. He was the favorite to beat Hopkins. Not only beat Hopkins but some even thought he would stop Hopkins? Few people in the media didn't even give an ATG like Hopkins a chance.

Is that not overrated?

Sure he was hyped by some.

There was posters on here that thought Pavlik was going to beat Martinez. Some even picked that he would stop Martinez.

Like I said if you only listen to the nuthugging fans that every single fighter is overrated. You can't name a fighter who is not overrated.

And, lol @ Martinez having an easy time with P-Will... When was the last time you saw Williams-Martinez?

I did not pick Pavlik over Hopkins. And I think many picked Pavlik not because of who he is or because of his skills. I believe they simply thought Hopkins would hit the wall after fighting well into his 40s. They simply forgot that B-hop is a freak of nature. I also don't think anyone who picked Pavlik over the old B-Hop would have given Pavlik a chance when Hopkins was dominating middleweights while in his prime. At least not anyone who really understands the sport of boxing. And maybe I used a bad choice words when I said I thought Sergio won easy. What I meant was I thought he won enough rounds to win easy. And again I will say it I think Sergio made it hard on himself when I felt he took rounds off as he did again against Pavlik. I just think that Sergio did what he wanted to do against Williams when he wanted to do it. And in my humble unprofessional opinion I thought he had done enough to win. And for a fighter who has 40 fights and has not dominated any one particular weight division and who is only 2-1 in world title fights and has had more than his share of controversial fights. Yup, I believe Paul Williams, as many others also do, to be overrated. And in closing if you really believe that Pavlik was ever hyped as much as Williams was, I'd willing to read anything that you can find that proves that fact. Because, I know that I am getting old, but I don't remember that ever being the case.

[Ray*]

Make it happen...I'll have my money on Sergio when the fight is confirm.

Am slightly favouring Martinez too, especially after the way Williams got hit so easily in his 4 rounds decision over kermit cintron. Martinez seem to be coming on great now.

[IMDAZED]

Am slightly favouring Martinez too, especially after the way Williams got hit so easily in his 4 rounds decision over kermit cintron. Martinez seem to be coming on great now.

I don't know what to make of the Martinez-Pavlik bout. Sergio looked good but I thought Pavlik's bad habits, inactivity and God knows what else played a major role. On the flipside, I don't know what to make of how Williams looked against Cintron either. He took some brutal shots against Sergio that may have a lasting effect. Can he continue to get hit like that? I will say one thing, something that is hardly pointed out...After the first 3-4 rounds, Paul Williams took over against Sergio Martinez. He came on strong in the middle rounds and finished the stronger fighter. He took bombs throughout but never slowed and ended up throwing nearly 1000 punches in the face of the heavy artillery Martinez was throwing at him. And Williams landed plenty. He may have lost something that night. Or, he might have Martinez already figured out.

[Calilloyd]

I did not pick Pavlik over Hopkins. And I think many picked Pavlik not because of who he is or because of his skills. I believe they simply thought Hopkins would hit the wall after fighting well into his 40s. They simply forgot that B-hop is a freak of nature. I also don't think anyone who picked Pavlik over the old B-Hop would have given Pavlik a chance when Hopkins was dominating middleweights while in his prime. At least not anyone who really understands the sport of boxing. And maybe I used a bad choice words when I said I thought Sergio won easy. What I meant was I thought he won enough rounds to win easy. And again I will say it I think Sergio made it hard on himself when I felt he took rounds off as he did again against Pavlik. I just think that Sergio did what he wanted to do against Williams when he wanted to do it. And in my humble unprofessional opinion I thought he had done enough to win. And for a fighter who has 40 fights and has not dominated any one particular weight division and who is only 2-1 in world title fights and has had more than his share of controversial fights. Yup, I believe Paul Williams, as many others also do, to be overrated. And in closing if you really believe that Pavlik was ever hyped as much as Williams was, I'd willing to read anything that you can find that proves that fact. Because, I know that I am getting old, but I don't remember that ever being the case.

Wrong. They picked Pavlik because they saw him as a devastating puncher that put on relentless pressure. I'll be glad to dig up post from several boxing web sites as well as writers if you choose to rewrite history. It was only after that fight that some people begin to seriously talk about Pavlik's limitations. And the second bolded comment you made is the exact same statement worded differently. It means the same thing. And I hate to hear the excuse "he took off rounds". Maybe, just maybe, the other fighter won them and had a little something to do with that. Fighters don't lose rounds on purpose.

[Gonzalez_Boxing]

Edit: Wrong thread

[BillyBoxing]

If I had 50Mil I'd put it on Paul too. As long as George dont tell him to come out slow again, like he did for Cintron.

Well,with 3 american judges I will bet on Paul.

Paul,like the last time,and Alexander this week end just have to throw 1000 punches in the air altough he's getting his face busted up....and will have a 116-112 UD before talking punch drunk and sorry in Kellerman's mic.

[dr.archives]

I think Martinez will win this. He's had a few fights at middleweight, he's the champ and he'll probably be really motivated. Don't get me wrong, it will be a close fight but Martinez will win.

[Dave Rado]

Wrong. They picked Pavlik because they saw him as a devastating puncher that put on relentless pressure. I'll be glad to dig up post from several boxing web sites as well as writers if you choose to rewrite history.

It's you who's rewriting history. See here for instance:

"It’s hard not to pick Pavlik here; an almost twenty year age advantage is just overwhelming. Some have brought up the ghosts of Archie Moore-Yvonne Durelle this week, but Pavlik is no Durelle. Tough as he was, Durelle was never what one would consider one of the game’s best. Pavlik is considered that with room to grow. Hopkins, the cagey veteran, will present puzzles this weekend which allow Pavlik to grow but likely not enough to lead him to defeat. This is a time honored tradition, a torch passing ceremony as much as a ring contest. Pavlik is prepared for the torch and will seize it within the distance stopping Hopkins for the first time between the tenth and twelfth rounds."

This article was fairly typical, and makes it clear that it was primarily the 20 year age advantage (based to a large extent on the fact that B-Hop had run out of gas in the late rounds vs. Calzaghe) that made Pavlik the overwhelming favourite to win that fight.

You're right that few saw how serious Pavlik's limitations were, at that time; and he was certainly over-hyped, as the article makes clear; but nevertheless, you're completely wrong to claim that the age difference wasn't the primary reason Pavlik was favoured to win.