The Empty Seat Dilemma: Why So Many Top Fighters Can’t Sell Tickets

[tredh]

Boxing is loved everywhere. You can't expect people to travel and pay high prices for a some fighters that they don't know.

Schaeffer can call King a dinosaur all he wants to but one thing for sure and two is for certain he will never to be boxing what Don King is and has been. They will never be on the same level.

[SkillspayBills]

They are also all black. When you are a hispanic or Irish or even ***ish fighter you have an immediate following based on race or nationality. Nothing wrong with that but black fighters don't have that sort of immediate bond with black fans because alot of them are from different places.

[The Big Dunn]

Boxing is loved everywhere. You can't expect people to travel and pay high prices for a some fighters that they don't know.

Schaeffer can call King a dinosaur all he wants to but one thing for sure and two is for certain he will never to be boxing what Don King is and has been. They will never be on the same level.

You're right. Schaeffer and ODh have no idea how to build a fighter King and Arum can. All SChaeffer and GBP do is take big stars and make them bigger. They have terrible matchmaking and have no idea what make a good young prospect.

[ИATAS]

They are also all black. When you are a hispanic or Irish or even ***ish fighter you have an immediate following based on race or nationality. Nothing wrong with that but black fighters don't have that sort of immediate bond with black fans because alot of them are from different places.

I disagree with this.

Fernando Guerrero is from Dominican Republic and yet he has a strong following in Salisbury, Maryland.

Even going to what I know on a much lower scale, Walter Wright, from very white Seattle, sells seats every time he fights in Tacoma, WA.

It's not about race or nationality it's about promotion, fighting in the right places, etc.

[The Big Dunn]

I disagree with this.

Fernando Guerrero is from Dominican Republic and yet he has a strong following in Salisbury, Maryland.

Even going to what I know on a much lower scale, Walter Wright, from very white Seattle, sells seats every time he fights in Tacoma, WA.

It's not about race or nationality it's about promotion, fighting in the right places, etc.

It's not about race or nationality it's about promotion, fighting in the right places, etc. Yes and no.

I'm in Jersey. If you go to a Thomas Adamek fight the crowd is about 10,000 and roughly 90% Polish. If yyou co to a Duddy fight, 90% of 5-6,000 are all Irish. Gatti filled AC with mostly Italian/Spanish fans. Pavlik filled AC with what seemed to be every hick from the midwest. While your point about Guerrero is spot on, I think that is an anomoly.

It has been my experience that unless a black american fighter has been on the Olympic Team, they do not have the same following as ethnic fighters. It could be just a northeast US phenomenon.

[ИATAS]

It's not about race or nationality it's about promotion, fighting in the right places, etc. Yes and no.

I'm in Jersey. If you go to a Thomas Adamek fight the crowd is about 10,000 and roughly 90% Polish. If yyou co to a Duddy fight, 90% of 5-6,000 are all Irish. Gatti filled AC with mostly Italian/Spanish fans. Pavlik filled AC with what seemed to be every hick from the midwest. While your point about Guerrero is spot on, I think that is an anomoly.

It has been my experience that unless a black american fighter has been on the Olympic Team, they do not have the same following as ethnic fighters. It could be just a northeast US phenomenon.

true and I didn't mean to say race/ethnicity doesn't play any part at all because obviously it does, and all of those examples are about location too. But I think in many cases with some of the mentioned black boxers who don't have a following (p-will, etc.) they could have been promoted a hell of a lot better by building up fanbases in right areas.

[The Big Dunn]

true and I didn't mean to say race/ethnicity doesn't play any part at all because obviously it does, and all of those examples are about location too. But I think in many cases with some of the mentioned black boxers who don't have a following (p-will, etc.) they could have been promoted a hell of a lot better by building up fanbases in right areas.

True it would help pwill if he had a good promoter behind him. But, unless you are an olympian, its hard for an american black boxer to get quality promotion, even locally. when they are young. There are exceptions but they are few and far between. Boxing is no longer as big as it was in the afrcan american community.

[sicko]

I posted the exact same thing in another post, it was about Bradley fighting in California, Mosley wasn't able to become a draw in California even after beating Oscar twice

unless Mosley was fighting a Latino fighters, nobody gave a damn about Mosley, nobody cared about the fights with Winky Wright or Vernon Forrest, even after the fight with Mayweather, they still have to turn around and match him up with another Latino fighter in Mora to draw interest

Blacks don't really have to support especially in America, you have people that would rather go for a guy from another country then they would their own, but in other countries they ALL get behind their own

Mayweather tried the nice HUMBLE guy bull**** but it didn't work, Mayweather had to turn into the "BAD GUY" of boxing to become the star and the draw that he is today, he tried the humble nice guy **** years ago but that wasn't getting him any big fights at all, when he went from "Pretty Boy" to "Money" Mayweather, that is when people started to care about him more, Mayweather took full advantage of that fight with Oscar to make himself a bigger star, while Mosley beat Oscar twice and nobody carried about him much after he beat Oscar, Mosley got the win but Oscar was STILL drawing more then Mosley

Black fighters will have to work harder to become stars or they will have to do like Mayweather and become the Villains in boxing, Ward was a GOLD MEDAL winner for his country and he is still not well known, back in the day if you won a Gold Medal for your country that was INSTANT STARDOM (George Foreman, Sugar Ray Leonard, Oscar De La Hoya)


but also look who a lot of these black fighters are signed to? Gary Shaw and Lou DiBella, both are decent Promoters but those guys basically depend on Golden Boy or Top Rank to give them big fights, they don't have the Power Top Rank, Golden Boy or even Don King has right now

[project xxx1]

only in usa

in the u.k even bum fights pull crowds

real fans over here

[The Big Dunn]

only in usa

in the u.k even bum fights pull crowds

real fans over here

15-20 years ago boxing and horse racing were Top 5 sports in AMerica. But sooo many articles and TV shows exploiting the negative aspects of both sports have IMO hurt their popularity big time.