since floyd is now once again the linear ww world champion

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  • jrosales13
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    #71
    Originally posted by -Kev-
    After Floyd retired, there was no man to beat. In 2008, Margarito vs Cotto were the top WW's along with Williams who no one wanted to fight so he stayed busy at 154-160. Margarito and Cotto were left as the top 2 WW's. Who ever won from there was going to be known as the #1 WW. Margarito won an became the man to beat at WW.
    Cotto was ranked #1. When Marg beat Cotto Marg became ranked #1. However, being ranked #1 is not lineage,

    The lineage started with Shane vs Marg not Cotto vs Marg.

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    • -Kev-
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      #72
      Originally posted by jrosales13
      Cotto was ranked #1. When Marg beat Cotto Marg became ranked #1. However, being ranked #1 is not lineage,

      The lineage started with Shane vs Marg not Cotto vs Marg.
      Lol we'll agree to disagree.

      There is no single canonical list of lineal champions at any weight class, because there is no agreed method of what to do when the current champion retires or moves weight division.

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        #73
        Originally posted by -Kev-
        Mosley has hand speed and power. Hand speed, something Pacquiao hasn't faced since...never. Marquez no, Diaz no, DLH no, Hatton no, Cotto no, Clottey no, Margarito hell no.
        i am in the belief Pac stylistacally has a problem with slick fighters or counter punchers. Shane is neither.

        Cotto might not have the speed but has better timing than Shane. Cotto might not have Shane power but he does have heavy hands and a better jab than Shane.

        Shane has no D, no head movement, really no jab. You can actually say Shane fights like the stereotypical Mexican fighter with just fast hands. He just a quick face first brawler. Style wise Shane really doesn't bring a problem. Size wise? Sure. But, style wise? No.... Unless he is African American all of a sudden he is slick and automatically becomes a problem for Pac. If that is where you getting at.

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        • Khalid X
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          #74
          Originally posted by -Kev-
          Mosley has hand speed and power. Hand speed, something Pacquiao hasn't faced since...never. Marquez no, Diaz no, DLH no, Hatton no, Cotto no, Clottey no, Margarito hell no.
          Manny hasn't faced fighters with good hand speed? You do know he fought at 112 and those fighters are way faster than WW's. Hell even the difference between 130 and 147 is very noticeable.

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          • KILLA RIGHT
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            #75
            Originally posted by CungLe
            Hell no,he didnt win 1 belt in Mosley fight!
            Only if he won ring belt I would consider him 7 time world champion or 6 cuz that IBF belt from Judah is garbage!
            You sure know alot about a guy you hate...

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            • Ryn0
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              #76
              Not until he wins the ring title in my eyes.

              Technically he is the lineal champion since he held the lineal title before he retired and technically you carry the lineal title until you're beaten or retired completely.

              So his lineal title reign could be considered one reign.

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                #77
                Originally posted by -Kev-
                Mosley has hand speed and power. Hand speed, something Pacquiao hasn't faced since...never. Marquez no, Diaz no, DLH no, Hatton no, Cotto no, Clottey no, Margarito hell no.
                I think that's a ridiculous statement to make, Manny has faced plenty of people with good hand speed it's a major attribute in the lower weight divisions. Barrera and Marquez had pretty decent hand speed faster than most at 147 when they were in the lower divisions.

                Then theres the guys at the very low divisions that Manny fought as a young boy, Manny hasn't fought a fighter with great handspeed recently but he has in his earlier career.

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                • infamous larryx
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                  #78
                  Originally posted by jrosales13
                  Floyd is the lineal WW champ. He is not the ring champ but is the lineal champ.

                  However, he is not a 7 time champ. Winning the lineal title back makes him the 6 time champ not 7.

                  However, 6 time champ and 6 division champ are two different things. If that is Larry agenda. Oscar was a 6 division champ but a 10 time champion.

                  2 different accomplishments.
                  no agenda here...but he was already a 6 time champ..he won the ww world title again so that makes him a 7 time champ..right??

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                  • infamous larryx
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                    #79
                    once again ring belt doesnt=linear champ always

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                      #80
                      Originally posted by LARRYX P4P#1
                      isnt he now a 7 time world champion??


                      He's not the Lineal CHampion because of the Cotto, Mosley, Marg complication.

                      Marg and Mosley at the time were not #1 and #2 obviously.


                      Lineal = Winner of #1 and #2 which is not the case

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