Name the fighters that WOULD beat Floyd & Pac

[Bushbaby]

No matter how old Mosley was he was the consensus #1 ww and the lineal champ. The thing is if they fight 5 yrs earlier Mosley is better but so is floyd. Respectfully, Martinez won a belt floyd vacated 2 years ago.

I agree with you 100% they deserve higher rankings at 154 than both. But they are not elite fighters. I think this is the only thing we disagree about. I would call them very good fighters. I would call manny and floyd elite.

I guess we shall agree to disagree then!!Because while I see Pacman & Floyd as elite,I do not think they are the only elite fighters fighting around their respective weight classes!!Because to me the Punisher & Martinez are the #1 & #2 fighters at 154,I just don't think it would make sense to say they are not elite if they are the 2 top fighters in a weight class!!Especially when Pacman whom U consider elite is fighting for a title in that weight class against Margarito at 150,if Martinez & the Punisher aren't on his level,he shouldn't have any problem dispatching them instead of fighting a cheating welterweight in their division!!

[Too_Slick]

Thomas Hearns Beats Them Both, Tommy KD's Manny Early and stops him in the middle rounds, Tommy Drops Floyd at some point but wont stop him, Floyds defence is to great, Tommy beats him by SD, i see Floyd giving Tommy fits with his accuracy and pinpoint counter punches and excellent timing, but Tommy's power and pressure will take the rounds.

[The Big Dunn]

I guess we shall agree to disagree then!!Because while I see Pacman & Floyd as elite,I do not think they are the only elite fighters fighting around their respective weight classes!!Because to me the Punisher & Martinez are the #1 & #2 fighters at 154,I just don't think it would make sense to say they are not elite if they are the 2 top fighters in a weight class!!Especially when Pacman whom U consider elite is fighting for a title in that weight class against Margarito at 150,if Martinez & the Punisher aren't on his level,he shouldn't have any problem dispatching them instead of fighting a cheating welterweight in their division!!

But being 1 or 2 doesn't make you elite. By that benchmark Carlos Baldomir was an elite ww when floyd fought him. I don't think you'd say he was would you? Floyd, Manny, Calderon, Wlad,are some examples of elite boxers right now. Paul, Sergio, JMM, Mosley, Bradley are all very good but not in the above category.

AGain I think you are missing my point. Floyd and Pac are elite fighters, I'm not factoring in division or weight. I wouldn't use elite to describe paul or sergio.

As for "elite" within a division, meaning who are the top at a given weight then yesa paul and sergio are 1 and 2 at 154.

[studentofthegam]

Pryor v Pac would be an absolute war, one of the best matchups of all time
I'm not underestimating Floyds power, I'm being realistic about Pryors chin
Arguello is a far harder puncher than Floyd, and Pryor showed he could take a shot
Floyd has a better chance than Manny, but I still think he loses.

Floyd decisions Pryor in embarassing fashion.

Like how he broke down Juan Manuel Marquez?

You name the person that koed Marquez and I'll wait

Ok,lets keep it real,Floyd & Manny might be able to go through 147 undefeated right now!!That said,the Punisher,Martinez,beat them both at 154!!Angulo might even beat them both!!

Martinez will walk the dogs on Floyds a$$ big time!!Bigger,just as fast,stronger,has more power!!Floyd's a better counter puncher,because that's how he fights,but if ur fighting someone bigger,stronger & just as fast,obviously U ain't countering ****!!Just saying!!

Mayweather always shines the brightest against slick boxers. Martinez has problems with his balance that would cost him. He would bloody paul up. Angulo is way too slow. It would be like baldomir.

Pac has a shot against Paul if he fights small, which he usually does. Martinez vs Pac would be electric. I pick Pac by a hair.

[ThePrince]

TS should've set parameters for this, it's really open-ended. What weights are we talking for these guys? I mean Pacquiao has fought from 106-154(150) in his professional career and has classic, well-known battles at featherweight and welter. Floyd has fought from 130-154 and his best was unquestionably at lightweight.

RIGHT NOW, both guys need to fight to settle the issue. I think Pac's southpaw stance, insane speed and power, his unorthodox and unpredictable attack, and constant activity break down Floyd's shell, especially since he isn't as mobile as he once was. I think Paul Williams beats both guys IF he gets with a trainer that teaches him how to use his physical advantages. The dude is 6'2"ish with a reach longer than Wlad the Impaler AND he's a southpaw He should be invincible at 147-160 but he lost to Quintana? Martinez exposed how vulnerable he is to a quick southpaw and rocked his chin. As he is now, Pacquiao would bust him up... but Floyd's passive style would get Paul the decision, even if May blocked/dodged most of his shots, 100+ punches a round adds up.

All time, let's say 126-147 for Pac- Duran, Sugar Rays, Hearns, maybe Pep and Benitez would give him a battle.

All time for Floyd, 130-147- Sugar Rays, Hearns, and Sweet Pea's speed/defense/smarts/southpaw stance would give Floyd fits. Would love to see Duran vs Mayweather at lightweight.

If both guys fought fantasy bouts at 154+, Hagler murders them both.

[fabie]

Pacquiao Currently:

Sergio Martinez, Paul Williams, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Dzinziruk, Angulo.

Pacquiao Past fighters:

Johnson
Austin
Raheem
Guzman
Johnston

Too many ATG's to name so I only named a few recent guys.








Mayweather Currently:

No one.

Mayweather Past:

Sugar Ray Leonard
Tommy Hearns

Pacquiao can be beaten by Mayweather and Mayweatehr can be beaten by Pacquiao.

And in the NOW, no one can beat both.

But I can see Sugar Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, Marvin Hagler and even Roberto Duran can beat them or at least challenge them both (Pacquiao and Mayweather).

[The Big Dunn]

Pacquiao can be beaten by Mayweather and Mayweatehr can be beaten by Pacquiao.

And in the NOW, no one can beat both.

But I can see Sugar Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, Marvin Hagler and even Roberto Duran can beat them or at least challenge them both (Pacquiao and Mayweather).

Hagler puts them both in the hospital.

[them_apples]

Since these faggets are so keen not to lose to eachother
Past fighters & Current fighters.

nobody outside of their weight class can currently beat them.

like saying Martinez could beat Pacquiao would be ****** because he's so much bigger.

I see Hearns knocking Floyd spark out, and I'd pick Leonard over PAC due to his counter punching capabilities and ability to put combinations together.

[Franco2012]

MAYWEATHER Currently:

Sergio Martinez, Paul Williams, Dzinziruk, Angulo, Zelenoff,Winky Wright,Cotto,Devon Alexander,Timothy Bradley,Amir Khan,PACQUIAo,Berto,Zaveck!

Mayweather Past fighters:

Casamayor
Hearns
Tszyu
SRL
Roberto Duran
Benitez
Salvador Sanchez
Sugar Ray Robinson


Too many ATG's to name so I only named a few recent guys.








Pacquiao Currently:

No one.

Pacquiao Past:

No one.

[joelab75]

Paul Williams is not even close of becoming ELITE boxer. not in his lifetime.

if Manny and Williams would even the playing field Williams would get battered. same as Martinez. none of those guys are ELITE. no way in hell Williams and Martinez beat Mayweather in welterweight. i just dont see it happening.