Comments Thread For: Paul Williams Given Two Options: Martinez or Dzinziruk

[The Big Dunn]

PW was in camp, the only thing that changed was him fighting a southpaw, he was at peak condition. Martinez on the other hand wasn't in camp and only had 4 weeks, a full camp would enable better conditioning than he had for their first fight.

PW was in camp, the only thing that changed was him fighting a southpaw,
You say that like its grade school math. it's a little more difficult than that can we agree?
Otherwise, our point is fair.

[mathed]

Williams doesn't want any...he may fight Dzinz though...HBO hoping he is "European" enough for Williams to deal with his standard boxing style.....not a southpaw either. Taking away Dzinz's undefeated record puts Paul back in contention again..HBO hoping for a Dzinz loss

[Mikhnienko]

Thats a big change. Same thing happened when he was suppose to fight Cinton then Quintana filled in.

PW was in camp, the only thing that changed was him fighting a southpaw,
You say that like its grade school math. it's a little more difficult than that can we agree?Otherwise, our point is fair.

Completely agree, huge change.

Where our opinions differ i suspect is that i don't think that it played a as big of a role in the outcome of the fight as you do.

IMO Paul will always struggle vs lefties & movement, Martinez has both. All his flaws, chin up, punch accuracy, ability to be countered, not being able to impose his size are just as evident as they have always been. His inability to learn and improve as a fighter seems rather remarkable to me.

[mathed]

So why did he offer him an immediate rematch that Martinez turned down to fight Pavlik.

BTW Williams offered more money than he made vs. Pavlik.

So how was Williams afraid again?

By returning to WW to get a belt when HBO is pushing heavy for this rematch, Williams wanted more than a 50% cut against the MW champ btw

[Mikhnienko]

Williams doesn't want any...he may fight Dzinz though...HBO hoping he is "European" enough for Williams to deal with his standard boxing style.....not a southpaw either. Taking away Dzinz's undefeated record puts Paul back in contention again..HBO hoping for a Dzinz loss

......? Dzinziruk is a southpaw.

[The Big Dunn]

Completely agree, huge change.

Where our opinions differ i suspect is that i don't think that it played a as big of a role in the outcome of the fight as you do.

IMO Paul will always struggle vs lefties & movement, Martinez has both. All his flaws, chin up, punch accuracy, ability to be countered, not being able to impose his size are just as evident as they have always been. His inability to learn and improve as a fighter seems rather remarkable to me.

Fair point but he did beat martinez. Very close fight. In the rematch, respectfully, Martinez has to find a way not to take rounds off. This will be more difficult now that Paul knows his style what to expect. Martinez lost because he stopped fighting for stretches. He admitted this after the fight. I think he stopped because Paul's punches were hurting him badly. Can Martinez fight a full 12 with Paul? I don't know.

[Mikhnienko]

Fair point but he did beat martinez. Very close fight. In the rematch, respectfully, Martinez has to find a way not to take rounds off. This will be more difficult now that Paul knows his style what to expect. Martinez lost because he stopped fighting for stretches. He admitted this after the fight. I think he stopped because Paul's punches were hurting him badly. Can Martinez fight a full 12 with Paul? I don't know.

we disagree on yet another thing lol

anyways hope it happens. i'd be pleased to see PW vs either.

[The Big Dunn]

we disagree on yet another thing lol

anyways hope it happens. i'd be pleased to see PW vs either.

Why did Martinez take rounds off? Gassed?

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Williams doesn't want any...he may fight Dzinz though...HBO hoping he is "European" enough for Williams to deal with his standard boxing style.....not a southpaw either. Taking away Dzinz's undefeated record puts Paul back in contention again..HBO hoping for a Dzinz loss

He is a lefty.

People **** on Williams but he has two options and they are EXACTLY the thing he has problems with. Soo when he fights one of them people need to start giving him respect.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

No he didnt. Stop making up ****.

You're the Queen of making **** up.

So why hasnt he signed the fight then? He is talking about moving to welterweight. Thats an indication that he doesnt want the fight. Hes asking for over 50% of the purse. Thats another one.