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    #41
    Originally posted by Mr. Copeland
    I see the point you are making and I agree. Me even making that comparision was in response to who is bigger. You might be right and we may never see Tony at 147 but if there was a chance of either making it I would favor Margarito over Martinez ....which is why, with all things considered, I feel Martinez is the bigger man.
    He is. Nevertheless, weight should not and would not have impeded a bout against Martinez.

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      #42
      Originally posted by Mr. Copeland
      I think his team didn't have much confidence and it had nothing to do with Manny being afraid. I mean how can you honestly think Manny is/was afraid of Cotto when he laid on the ropes and let him tag him and also when Cotto was moonwalking toward the end...we really saw who was afraid of who....lol
      True, it turned out that he wasn't afraid of him in the ring, but it would've been so much more impressive and badass if he would've confidently proclaimed to the world in advance that he's so good (i.e. Roach with his KO predictions - if he had it all figured out, then why the catchweight in the first place?)

      If Pacquiao would've beaten down on a fully-weighed Cotto and taken his punches on the ropes in the same way (which I'm sure he could've), people would have much less negative stuff to say about him now. He himself is making it hard to become a supporter, regardless of how entertaining his style is.

      Then again, I like watching Mayweather's in-ring work just as much, but I absolutely loathe the kind person he is and all his bull****. Fact is, I can't stand either them outside the ring - but when it comes down to who's fanbase I want to see bawling their eyes out in defeat, it's Pacquiao's. Juuuust about. :laff2:

      Originally posted by Mr. Copeland
      Honestly Margarito is better than anyone I can think of right now. Margarito beats down Bradley and Berto and I wish a fight with them could happen to shut those you think otherwise up.
      Wow, that's one out of left field. Margarito better than Bradley, Alexander, Berto and all these other 147/140 guys? Hmm. I'll give him the pressure thing - he does it like no other, and it takes real skill to keep him from coming - but skills-wise he's pretty standard. Several guys have shown the way to beat him, and by rights Pacquiao should do it in the most impressive way ever. KO10 by a hard straight left between the guard, I say.

      Originally posted by Mr. Copeland
      If we are being real with ourselves then we would realize that Ruiz wasn't as legit of a threat at HW as Margarito is at JMW. I know this will make most people mad but I honestly see Margarito giving Manny real problems at that weight. I got Manny winning this but all I'm saying is Roy was easy money over Ruiz whereas Manny will have to work to get this victory (unless Tony is really that shot or Manny is really that good).
      Maybe so, but Ruiz being 25lbs heavier on fight night could be interpreted by some as a substantially higher risk than Margarito weighing maybe 10lbs more on fight night against Pacquiao. Plus, there's that HW punching power which increases the risk beyond that of LMW.

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        #43
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        You guys got the Mosley vs Margarito fight twisted. Mosley himself stated that not just any figther could beat Margarito and he isn't lying. Nothing in Berto, Alexander or Bradley's game will keep Margarito off of him. Berto gets stopped as he has a worse chin than cotto and his defense is complete ****. Not only that but he has stamina issues as well as the fact that he doesn't know how to tie up and push people around the ring. As far as Alexander, he is way too small and will be at best 148-150 fight night compared to Margarito who will rehydrate to over 160 and close to the 165 mark.

        Again I really would like to see what you feel Bradley, Alexander and Berto have in their game that will give Tony problems and lead to a victory, because I just don't see it.

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          #44
          Originally posted by Mr. Copeland
          @Pitty Pat

          You guys got the Mosley vs Margarito fight twisted. Mosley himself stated that not just any figther could beat Margarito and he isn't lying. Nothing in Berto, Alexander or Bradley's game will keep Margarito off of him. Berto gets stopped as he has a worse chin than cotto and his defense is complete ****. Not only that but he has stamina issues as well as the fact that he doesn't know how to tie up and push people around the ring. As far as Alexander, he is way too small and will be at best 148-150 fight night compared to Margarito who will rehydrate to over 160 and close to the 165 mark.

          Again I really would like to see what you feel Bradley, Alexander and Berto have in their game that will give Tony problems and lead to a victory, because I just don't see it.
          You just don't know this. The truth is, this Margarito you speak of didn't exist against Something Garcia so why would we assume he'd come out for Timothy Bradley. Please.

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            #45
            Originally posted by IMDAZED
            You just don't know this. The truth is, this Margarito you speak of didn't exist against Something Garcia so why would we assume he'd come out for Timothy Bradley. Please.
            I really wish these guys fought so I could make real bets on this. Easy money right there as there is nothing in Bradley's game that will kept Margarito off of him. Who are basing this off of one fight, which was considered a tune up/come back fight and I'm basing this off of Margarito's whole track record.

            If we want to play that game, then I can bring up the Abregu fight as Bradley was trying his best to look good (in an attempt to land a Manny/Floyd fight) and looked sub-par in the process.

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              #46
              Originally posted by Mr. Copeland
              I really wish these guys fought so I could make real bets on this. Easy money right there as there is nothing in Bradley's game that will kept Margarito off of him. Who are basing this off of one fight, which was considered a tune up/come back fight and I'm basing this off of Margarito's whole track record.

              If we want to play that game, then I can bring up the Abregu fight as Bradley was trying his best to look good (in an attempt to land a Manny/Floyd fight) and looked sub-par in the process.
              What was in Garcia's game that kept Margarito off him?

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                #47
                Originally posted by Mr. Copeland
                Not only that but he has stamina issues as well as the fact that he doesn't know how to tie up and push people around the ring.
                Berto holds like a motherfucker, and it's one of the many reasons I loathe watching him. It's also one of the key elements of a winning gameplan against Margarito (Mosley did it to perfection), but he's nowhere near his size for any of it to be relevant.

                Originally posted by Mr. Copeland
                As far as Alexander, he is way too small and will be at best 148-150 fight night compared to Margarito who will rehydrate to over 160 and close to the 165 mark.
                Yes, Alexander isn't anywhere near Margarito's size.

                Originally posted by Mr. Copeland
                Again I really would like to see what you feel Bradley, Alexander and Berto have in their game that will give Tony problems and lead to a victory, because I just don't see it.
                See here is where I have to clarify - if Bradley, Alexander and Berto (who I think is a small WW, but too big for LWW) were the same size as Margarito, then their handspeed and pure boxing skills to keep him at bay all night long.

                When I questioned your saying that Margarito was better than them, I meant in the sense that if they were all the same size. They're not. So obviously he'd kill them. Buuuuuuuut if they were all 147/154-ish guys, then he'd lose to them all.

                Thankfully its only Pacquiao who's willing to go up and face him, but not at the divisional limit.

                And btw, I think Angulo beats Margarito in an epic war. That is the fight that needs to happen.

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                  #48
                  Of course he wouldnt have

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by IMDAZED
                    What was in Garcia's game that kept Margarito off him?
                    Nothing....which is why that fight was easy work for Margarito as well. Garcia atleast had some power at that weight to keep Tony honest (if this fight was a real challenge) whereas Tony would eat anything Bradley or Alexander dished out.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by IMDAZED
                      You just don't know this. The truth is, this Margarito you speak of didn't exist against Something Garcia so why would we assume he'd come out for Timothy Bradley. Please.
                      You think Timothy Bradley beats Margarito?

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