Had Martinez not vacated his title

[Khalid X]

I think he is deflecting the issue. Which is that it's not Timothy Bradley fighting Margarito but Manny Pacquiao. And that we'd rather see him fight Bradley...or anyone else. And that weight isn't the reason why those fights didn't happen.

So you are saying you would rather see that Timothy Bradley (that showed up against Abregu) at 147 vs Manny than Manny vs Margarito at 150. Manny kills TIm at that weight while I give Margarito a decent chance against Manny at 150.

As far as the other stuff...I basically answered every question that was asked of me, so I don't get how I'm deflecting anything. If there is something you would like me to answer....be my guest as I'm here to answer any and all questions.

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So you are saying you would rather see that Timothy Bradley (that showed up against Abregu) at 147 vs Manny than Manny vs Margarito at 150? Manny kills TIm at that weight while I give Margarito a decent chance against Manny at 150.

As far as the other stuff...I basically answered every question that was asked of me, so I don't get how I'm deflecting anything. If there is something you would like me to answer....be my guest as I'm here to answer any and all questions concerning Manny Pacquiao.

No, I'm saying that none of that matters. The bottom line is that there were better fights for Pacquiao than Margarito. And weight would not have impeded any of them. And to answer the TS, no it would not have mattered because Manny Pacquiao had no intentions of fighting Martinez or Williams - though both are far more deserving of a shot.

[ИATAS]

Unfortunatley Williams and Berto were always likely out of the equation since I doubt bob arum and al hymon would do business unless it's floyd. maybe I'm wrong about that.

If that's true it leaves bradley, cotto and margarito. Out of those three I'd pick Margarito.

If it were up to me, it would be berto as I think unifying belts at 147 is most impressive.

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Unfortunatley Williams and Berto were always likely out of the equation since I doubt bob arum and al hymon would do business unless it's floyd. maybe I'm wrong about that.

If that's true it leaves bradley, cotto and margarito. Out of those three I'd pick Margarito.

If it were up to me, it would be berto as I think unifying belts at 147 is most impressive.

Bob Arum works for Manny Pacquiao. Poor ole Bob might have to listen to his cash cow if the cash cow wants something. Impossible, right? Yeah, so impossible that he once paid Manny extra out of pocket because Manny wouldn't fight until he got what he wanted. In other words, the Haymon excuse is poppy****.

[Khalid X]

What did that version show you against Mosley to make you say that? And how does factoring in a year off plus a return to 154 before going back down for this "fantasy match" play out?

He showed an incredible chin as funny as that sounds, and a ton of heart. I think I counted 7 or more unanswered flush right hands (I haven't seen this fight in a minute and I'm going off the dome) before Margarito crumbled. Mayweather got caught with two and it looked like a third one would have taken his soul. Also unlike Berto, Cotto and others who fold under pressure, Tony kept fighting until the ref stepped in to stop it.

With that said, no way in hell does Bradley's power back up Margarito. Not only that he doesn't have the strength to tied him up and push him around. Bradley is strong but not Mosley strong, and I see him trying to box, slip and move like Cotto only to get stalked down. I will say this; Bradley's stamina and heart are light years ahead of Cotto but I still see a stoppage as Tony is just too big for him. Mosley physical strength and power to back up Tony is what helped him win that fight, something Bradley doesn't have and IMO movement alone is not enough to beat Margarito as seen by the Martinez fight. While Martinez skills are no where near what they are today, his footspeed as just as fast if not faster and he still couldn't get away from Tony.

[ИATAS]

Bob Arum works for Manny Pacquiao. Poor ole Bob might have to listen to his cash cow if the cash cow wants something. Impossible, right? Yeah, so impossible that he once paid Manny extra out of pocket because Manny wouldn't fight until he got what he wanted. In other words, the Haymon excuse is poppy****.

how is it poppy****? You're acting like promoter/manager beefs never prevented fights from happening. It's totally possible and you know that.

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He showed an incredible chin as funny as that sounds, and a ton of heart. I think I counted 7 or more unanswered flush right hands (I haven't seen this fight in a minute and I'm going off the dome) before Margarito crumbled. Mayweather got caught with two and it looked like a third one would have taken his soul. Also unlike Berto, Cotto and others who fold under pressure, Tony kept fighting until the ref stepped in to stop it.

Yeah, those are usually the two attributes used when discussing a fighter who just got his ass kicked for a real long time. The truth is, he showed nothing in that fight. He lost every second and then got KTFO. Please don't make me laugh.

With that said, no way in hell does Bradley's power back up Margarito. Not only that he doesn't have the strength to tied him up and push him around. Bradley is strong but not Mosley strong, and I see him trying to box, slip and move like Cotto only to get stalked down. I will say this; Bradley's stamina and heart are light years ahead of Cotto but I still see a stoppage as Tony is just too big for him. Mosley physical strength and power to back up Tony something Bradley doesn't have and IMO movement alone is not enough to beat Margarito as seen by the Martinez fight. While Martinez skills are no where near what they are today, his footspeed as just as fast if not faster and he still couldn't away from Tony.

I'm sorry, I thought you watched Margarito's last fight. Apparently you didn't. You see, you still think it's 2008 and that Margarito's going to use his incredible strength and walk through punches to impose his will. But I seem to recall a Margarito who couldn't move a hair on Garcia's balls after the first round and spent the last half of the bout playing Ole.

[Khalid X]

No, I'm saying that none of that matters. The bottom line is that there were better fights for Pacquiao than Margarito. And weight would not have impeded any of them. And to answer the TS, no it would not have mattered because Manny Pacquiao had no intentions of fighting Martinez or Williams - though both are far more deserving of a shot.

And why should he? I mean he has just gotten to WW and now we expect him to fight two guys who are campaigning at MW?

[Khalid X]

Yeah, those are usually the two attributes used when discussing a fighter who just got his ass kicked for a real long time. The truth is, he showed nothing in that fight. He lost every second and then got KTFO. Please don't make me laugh.

I assure you I never assigned those attributes to Cotto (another guy who got his a$$ kicked over a long period of time). How can you not say he didn't show incredible chin if he is taken repeated shot after shot against a hard hitter like Mosley? Again a third punch for Shane would have taken Floyd's soul yet Margarito survived 7+ before folding.

I'm sorry, I thought you watched Margarito's last fight. Apparently you didn't. You see, you still think it's 2008 and that Margarito's going to use his incredible strength and walk through punches to impose his will. But I seem to recall a Margarito who couldn't move a hair on Garcia's balls after the first round and spent the last half of the bout playing Ole.

I absolutely did and enjoyed every minute of it. Dude did what he had to do and the fight was easy work for him. I truly believe Tony was just trying to get rounds in as he hasn't fought in a while and needed to shake some rust off. You act like Tony was struggling in that fight which is far from what happened.

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how is it poppy****? You're acting like promoter/manager beefs never prevented fights from happening. It's totally possible and you know that.

Of course it's possible. But it's no excuse. At all. A Williams fight was absolutely feasible. A fighter in no position to ask for anything extra, a fighter willing to do anything to make the fight with an adviser with connects to HBO. It was as simple as Manny telling Bob to make the fight. Same with Martinez. Margarito? Whatever works, I guess. But it it is what it is.