Stop already comparing Manny to Armstrong

[Franco2012]

DLH didnt lose weight the wrong way, he simply couldnt make the weight/

so in essense, it was a catchweight fight.

Then how was he 147 a month before the fight and you can see that in 24/7

NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PACQUIAO is just better fighter then HOYA,period!

[fcastro1]

Pacquiao has been compared by a lot of people to the great Henry Armstrong because of his similar successful rise through the weight divisions.

But Manny Pacquiao hasn't done it the same way as Armstrong did, because Henry was never afraid of being outweighed by several pounds by his rivals as he was going up in wieght. He was the much smaller fighter a lot of the times, and he still won.

I believe Pacquiao is a true warrior. So I really don't get why he is asking for catch-weights since he has moved up to the WW zone. Just look how he dominated all his recent opponents, does Pacquiao really need catch-weights ? **** no. He could be fighting his opponents at their full healthy natural fighting weight, and he would still beat them.

So why hurt his legacy with those catch-weights ?

De la Hoya cut 7 pounds, a whole division down.
Cotto cut 2 pounds.
And now they want Margarito at 150 for the vacant WBC 154 pound title.

Nonsense. And it's not even a close fight on paper. Pacquiao will toy with Margarito.

Therefore, I say respect the weight-divisions, respect the fighters, and respect the fans.

To me, Pacquiao is not only a multi-divisional champion, he's also a multi-catch-weight champion, and that is sad. Bringing down the weight of your opponents when you're the one who is supposed to be moving up, that's ****ed up to me. Weight division have become suggestions in Pacquiao's world.

Did RJJ asked Ruiz to come in at 215 when he fought him ? No. He was out-weighed by something like 30 pounds, and it didn't matter.

Homicide Hank 134 Ceferino Garcia 146½ for the World WW title
Homicide Hank 142 Ceferino Garcia 152 1/2 for the World MW title

Why tarnish the great run from 112 to 140 at the very end of a fighter's career ?

where did pac start? He won his first title at 112 as 19 year old and won the lineal title now he is a welterweight champ so stfu.

[titan m]

thats what im saying !!!!! lmao at the thought of hery being anywhere as good as the warrior

everbody has their own opinion but you sound like an ass when you act like armstrong was some kind of joke, you have 0 credibility when you embarass yourself like that. before you say that ive never even seen armstrong fight, ive got over 3000 fights and alot of old footage including at least 8 to 10 full armstrong fights plus other armstrong highlights. how much of him have you seen?

[championgee]

Pac weight 147 pounds for his last fight. He is a full grown WW. Stop with the excuses. Hes a clown if you ask me. He's killing this catchweight ****. Mayweather moved up and he never ask for Catchweights. Remember Mayweather was a featherweight first. Being Black, The Gift and a Curse!! Your mouth can say whatever, but in the heart we all know the truth. Mayweather is P4P the best fighter in the world, Maybe in history!

[RimmyDelicious]

"Henry Armstrong TKO end of 6 Lew Jenkins -- Polo Grounds, N.Y., July 17, 1940

Welterweight champion Henry Armstrong was obliged to weigh in seven pounds under the division limit for his scheduled 12-rounder with lightweight champion Lew Jenkins. This was no problem for Armstrong, a featherweight champion who was small for a welterweight. Armstrong came in at 139 pounds, while Jenkins was just a half-pound over the lightweight limit of 135.

The fight held intrigue because Jenkins, from Sweetwater, Texas, was known to be a terrific hitter. New York Times columnist John Kieran was one of many who felt that Jenkins's big punch gave him a chance. "If he can land that punch on a dodging target like Armstrong he may do well for himself," Kieran opined in a prefight story.

Jenkins did indeed do damage. Joseph P. Dawson reported in The New York Times that Armstrong's left eye was swollen almost shut while his right eye "dripped a blinding flow of blood" after a desperation left hook opened an old cut. Armstrong was winning the fight, though. He took command from the fourth round and Jenkins was down seven times, unable to hold the stronger, superior fighter in Armstrong. Referee Arthur Donovan stopped the fight at the end of the sixth as Jenkins "writhed and groaned on his stool" in the words of reporter Dawson."

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=3238297

[crold1]

Henry fought at numerous catchweights throughout his career. He defended his Welterweight title at contracted limits of 140 many times, to name just one of the many catchweight title fights Henry contested.

Oscar De La Hoya moved down to 147 to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. In fact, he fought Steve Forbes at 150 to prepare for the Floyd rematch, and to prepare his body for the shift down in weight. Floyd "retired" for a year and a half, and Manny stepped in, moved up 13 pounds and battered the Golden Boy. Revisionists make it out that Manny drained Oscar, when it was Floyd who had Oscar moving down in weight.

This argument is ridiculous as a point of comparing what Hank and Manny did unless you only wish to it further verify Armstrong as bad ass and antithetical to what Pac has done for Cotto and, purportedly, now Marg. Hank, as a champion and star, came DOWN the scale to face world class men from divisions below. He wasn't seeking advantage or trying to dry out his foes.

[loui_ludwig]

To the TS, don't tell the members here that. Tell that to the boxing media. The fans get their opinions on the media.

[Twako]

DLH didnt lose weight the wrong way, he simply couldnt make the weight/

so in essense, it was a catchweight fight.

unless you started watching boxing lastyear, dlh was at 151 before his training camp even started for the pac fight.

and he called out pac for a WW fight. there was no catchweight.

[the gent]

Well there is an article here on BS that states that Pacquiao wants Margo at 150.


DLH hadn't been fighting at 147 for many years.

And yes it was a catch-weight, but it was even worse than what he did to Cotto, because he didn't let DLH fight at 150 so that he could at least stay at JMW where he had been fighting for a while.

No. He asked DLH to move down a whole division.

Actually it was DLH who suggested the weight. THinking it would still be too heavy for Pac. We seen the result, now it's a problem..

Allot of people including most boxing insiders, and bookmakers had DLH winning that fight..Too big for Manny etc.. Manny wins and the excuses come flying, about the weight drain.

[baracuda]

blame the boxing experts!.......you just cant deny pac's greatness, you can hate tho!....