Why were the Floyd demands good this time?

[damned1974]

Manny did move up in weight after, I believe he even moved up 2 weight classes. And oh Floyd felt heavier?? What did he weigh?? For god's sakes he didn't want to go into the sauna for a few freaking hours so he paid JMM off, a guy who was coming up 2 weight divisions to fight him. If that's not a mockery of boxing I don't know what is.

And like I said-I dislike both of those examples.I do not make excuses for their inability to make weight on the day-they deserved the repercussions.....I am not going to polish or glorify either one's reasonings for not being able to do this.I believe it is the most neutral point of view...BOTH cases were a mockery, both paid the price in different ways.No need to make it ok for one and not the other...

Is it fair to say that these catchweight fights are a mockery of history and the sport????

[VoodooChild]

And like I said-I dislike both of those examples.I do not make excuses for their inability to make weight on the day-they deserved the repercussions.....I am not going to polish or glorify either one's reasonings for not being able to do this.I believe it is the most neutral point of view...BOTH cases were a mockery, both paid the price in different ways.No need to make it ok for one and not the other...

Manny paid with his blood on the canvas and Floyd paid with a cheque cause he didn't feel like skipping breakfast against a guy coming up 2 weight divisions. You really don't see a difference in that?

[damned1974]

Manny paid with his blood on the canvas and Floyd paid with a cheque cause he didn't feel like skipping breakfast against a guy coming up 2 weight divisions. You really don't see a difference in that?

FFS-does it matter? Manny shouldn't have been in that weight class-simple as.He got KO'd for this,Floyd lost money that he would rather have in his pocket than Marquez's...

The difference I am seeing is that you are making one example acceptable,and the other not.Look at the simple facts,don't make allowances.That is the objective point of view....it isn't as if Manny is the only guy in the sport's history who has had to drain themselves and suffer as a result-likewise there is no need to believe it to be acceptable in his situation....

[VoodooChild]

FFS-does it matter? Manny shouldn't have been in that weight class-simple as.He got KO'd for this,Floyd lost money that he would rather have in his pocket than Marquez's...

The difference I am seeing is that you are making one example acceptable,and the other not.Look at the simple facts,don't make allowances.That is the objective point of view....it isn't as if Manny is the only guy in the sport's history who has had to drain themselves and suffer as a result-likewise there is no need to believe it to be acceptable in his situation....

Hell yes it matters, this is a sport with rich history where you pay with your blood if you **** up. What Manny did was wrong but he killed himself trying to make weight and he paid for it correctly, with his blood and his record. Floyd didn't even try and then he wrote a cheque to pay off a guy coming up 2 weight divisions to face him.

[Nevadefeated]

Floyd also made at 135 lbs fighter move up 2 weight divisions to WW and didn't even have the decency to make the agreed upon weight. Pac had every right to ask for that penalty.

The challenger suppose to move up and that's what Marquez did. Floyd did'nt make him move up. I never in my life heard of a P4P best fighter in the world challenge the champ to a fight but say you to big can you fight me at a catch weight until Manny came along.

[featherFist]

To all the Floyd groupies, this one's for you:

[VoodooChild]

The challenger suppose to move up and that's what Marquez did. Floyd did'nt make him move up. I never in my life heard of a P4P best fighter in the world challenge the champ to a fight but say you to big can you fight me at a catch weight until Manny came along.

Julio Cesar Chavez vs Pernell Whitaker for the Welterweight title at 145

ODLH vs BHOP for middleweight title at 158

Also I don't recall why was JMM considered a challenger, was this for a belt I don't remember.

[damned1974]

Hell yes it matters, this is a sport with rich history where you pay with your blood if you **** up. What Manny did was wrong but he killed himself trying to make weight and he paid for it correctly, with his blood and his record. Floyd didn't even try and then he wrote a cheque to pay off a guy coming up 2 weight divisions to face him.

Why couldn't you just leave it as that and seperate yourself from your personal attatchments with Manny? They were both wrong-it's really as simple as that-not as elaborate as you make it out.....and NEITHER guys are martyrs for this.

[damned1974]

Julio Cesar Chavez vs Pernell Whitaker for the Welterweight title at 145

ODLH vs BHOP for middleweight title at 158

Also I don't recall why was JMM considered a challenger, was this for a belt I don't remember.

Catchweights-especially for titles are crap.I think we can both agree that it cheapens the victory.I hope you aren't one of those people who believes Manny should make the belt-holder succumb to his demands for the belts...

[Nevadefeated]

Julio Cesar Chavez vs Pernell Whitaker for the Welterweight title at 145

ODLH vs BHOP for middleweight title at 158

Also I don't recall why was JMM considered a challenger, was this for a belt I don't remember.

No it was'nt for a belt. JMM was considered the challenger in the sense that he challenged Floyd to a welterweight fight.