Why were the Floyd demands good this time?

[VoodooChild]

He lost both fights. And if he is THAT weight drained and still overweight, then it has to be 1 of of things:

1. He is fighting in the wrong weight division.
2. He didn't train in the proper way, to get to the proper weight.

Either way,neither excuses him. The only difference is that FMJ didn't weigh in over his weight division limit. Let me ask, regardless of what the reason, who should be blamed for Pac not making weight? Doesn't matter if he tried or not, he didn't.

By the way, can u show me a quote(seriously) that states that FMJ didn't even try to make weight? Or, is that just what has been said around the msg boards for so long, its now taken as fact.(serious question)

I'm not sure what happened in those 2 fights it was probably a combination of both. He tried to make weight, went to the scales and failed.

Floyd by his own admission walks around at 150-155, during training camp he's probably closer to around 150. I've cut weight before and cutting 6 lbs in a week (weighing 150) is nothing. He should of had no problems at all. That tells me right there that he didn't try.

[damned1974]

look whose talking you defend floyd like he is your long lost lover. it is quite disturbing considering the facts are right in front of you and you choose to ignore it due to your fanatism.

So now you are admitting that you do in fact have personal bias? Floyd is not my favourite fighter, nor do I need to support and build up Manny like he is some "flavour of the month" like you kids do.Like I said,it is sickening how much you obsess on him-like a bizarre infatuation.

As far as "facts" go-are you telling me you know them? What are they-because even Arum himself doesn't seem to have the same grip on the "facts" that you do.... only Ross Greenburg does and he has nothing but "no comment" everytime he is asked.....still you stand by your man.

[megadeth]

i remember pac started with 30 dayhs then came down to 24. that was a failed negotiation. both walked in my opinion because both had the chance to make the fight. This time its clear who walked away from the fight.

Check your facts. Roach confirmed that they said "no problem" to full OSDT. There are also videos of him saying they needed 3 days and 5 days. After that, the excuses started and he moved to 30 days. He only went to 24 days, when it was shown that he had drug testing at 24 days for the Hatton fight.

In ur opinion? So Pac goes from agreeing to full, 3, 5, 30 to 24(Pac went 24 days away from what he originally said yes to). Floyd goes from Full to 14 days (Floyd goes 14 days in the direction of what Pac wants) and they both are to blame?

Now this time, Pac agrees to 14 and allegedly, Floyd sticks to 0 and he is the Coward? Didn't he do exactly what Pac did previously? Why aren't you saying they both are to blame now, since they both have the chance to fight?

Again, you are swallowing everything Arum says.

[damned1974]

LOL@ Cherry Picker-he red K's me because he refuses to have any ability to debate.If only brains could sprout if you "just add water"....I would give him a river,because he needs it!

[Dirk Diggler UK]

And FMJ didn't have to do 10 mil per lb, but he did. You forget to mention that Pac and Co orginally agreed to RANDOM OSDT, then started back peddling all the way up to 30days. So Pac came from agreeing, to 3, 5, 30, 24 days. Floyd went from 0 days to 14 days. Now, who was the more reasonable one? Sounds like FMJ wanted the fight and was willing to meet in the middle. Pac was not.

Yes he did, having flaunted the rules regarding weight limit against Marquez.

[megadeth]

Yes he did, having flaunted the rules regarding weight limit against Marquez.

So then i guess you are saying the Pac should've had a 20 million per lb penatly in his contracts since for "flaunting the rules" in those 2 fights? Come on, at least pretend to be a little impartial.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

So then i guess you are saying the Pac should've had a 20 million per lb penatly in his contracts since for "flaunting the rules" in those 2 fights? Come on, at least pretend to be a little impartial.

What 2 fights?

[VoodooChild]

So then i guess you are saying the Pac should've had a 20 million per lb penatly in his contracts since for "flaunting the rules" in those 2 fights? Come on, at least pretend to be a little impartial.

How did he flaunt the rules? Manny killed himself trying to make weight, got to the scales, failed and then got in the ring and took his beating like a man. Floyd did not try (read my previous post for explanation), did not get on the scales and literally bought himself out of making weight.

[damned1974]

How did he flaunt the rules? Manny killed himself trying to make weight, got to the scales, failed and then got in the ring and took his beating like a man. Floyd did not try (read my previous post for explanation), did not get on the scales and literally bought himself out of making weight.

I believe an impartial person can see that both Manny and Floyd simply did not make weight.There is no need to justify these faults.If Manny was killing himself in weight-why not just move up to a weight division that would serve him better?

No need to make excuses on his behalf-people can ***** and make excuses for Floyd and say,he has been out of boxing for nearly 2 years and buy into what he said when he stated "he weighed 144 the day before the scales,but felt heavier when he woke up"....either way they didn't make it....I cannot glorify either one in this event.It was both unprofessional no matter how you spin it,hence Floyd was penalized and Manny lost his belt.Both deserved these repurcussions.

Just the same,I dislike catchweight fights....boxers need to either fight at proper weight classes,or **** off and quit trying to gain an advantage through weight-whether it is draining your opponent,making rehydration stipulations,etc....I cannot even begin to express the loathe I would have for a catchweight for Cotto's new belt-that is straight up ripping history off.

[VoodooChild]

I believe an impartial person can see that both Manny and Floyd simply did not make weight.There is no need to justify these faults.If Manny was killing himself in weight-why not just move up to a weight division that would serve him better?

No need to make excuses on his behalf-people can ***** and make excuses for Floyd and say,he has been out of boxing for nearly 2 years and buy into what he said when he stated "he weighed 144 the day before the scales,but felt heavier when he woke up"....either way they didn't make it....I cannot glorify either one in this event.It was both unprofessional no matter how you spin it.

Manny did move up in weight after, I believe he even moved up 2 weight classes. And oh Floyd felt heavier?? What did he weigh?? For god's sakes he didn't want to go into the sauna for a few freaking hours so he paid JMM off, a guy who was coming up 2 weight divisions to fight him. If that's not a mockery of boxing I don't know what is.