Comments Thread For: If Everything is Settled, Blame Mayweather For Fight Bust

[Prime 407]

Talk about stating the obvious, ofcourse Mayweather is to blame if the fight doesn't come through. No matter how you spin it, one side is constantly trying to compromise to get the fight made and the other side continually moves the goal posts in order to avoid the fight. No excuses! Floyd is running scared of the little man!

[GRUSTLER]

I guess it's convienent for everyone to forget how Manny Pacquiao
blew the fight the first time when Floyd was ready, willing and able.
All Pac had to do was agree to the testing he has agreed to
now and the fight would have been past tense already. Floyd
is not an angel but some of the flack he gets is unwarranted and
this article proves it. I know that the writer is frustrated like we
all are about this fight not happening but the only ones you
can truly blame is Pac and Top Rank for turning negotiations into a
media circus. I mean, if Pac would have stayed adament about the
testing decision and didn't agree this time around then maybe you
could blame Floyd but the fact that he wants it now shows that Pac
had his nuts out on the table trying to be a hard ass in negotiations.
To add insult to injury, Arum was secretly setting up a fight with Clottey
while Team Mayweather was trying to iron out the deal with Team
Pacquiao AND Arum and Konz are still talking about plan B's and C's
like that is going to pressure Floyd into signing. Top Rank and Team
Pacquiao handled this all wrong from the beginning.

[GRUSTLER]

LOL even floyd biggest fan boy writer is getting turned off already. I hope he retires for good this time. Why come back and not fight the best guy?? what for?? You say you're all about the money yet ur throwing away the opportunity to fight in the richest fight ever?? I dont get it.

ummmm...... Floyd came back, shut down Marquez to set up
a Pac fight and what happened when he tried to fight Pac in
March again?

[Prime 407]

ummmm...... Floyd came back, shut down Marquez to set up
a Pac fight and what happened when he tried to fight Pac in
March again?

We're talking about right now buddy, quit living in the past. There's no excuses this time.

[Tamis!]

I guess it's convienent for everyone to forget how Manny Pacquiao
blew the fight the first time when Floyd was ready, willing and able.
All Pac had to do was agree to the testing he has agreed to
now and the fight would have been past tense already. Floyd
is not an angel but some of the flack he gets is unwarranted and
this article proves it. I know that the writer is frustrated like we
all are about this fight not happening but the only ones you
can truly blame is Pac and Top Rank for turning negotiations into a
media circus. I mean, if Pac would have stayed adament about the
testing decision and didn't agree this time around then maybe you
could blame Floyd but the fact that he wants it now shows that Pac
had his nuts out on the table trying to be a hard ass in negotiations.
To add insult to injury, Arum was secretly setting up a fight with Clottey
while Team Mayweather was trying to iron out the deal with Team
Pacquiao AND Arum and Konz are still talking about plan B's and C's
like that is going to pressure Floyd into signing. Top Rank and Team
Pacquiao handled this all wrong from the beginning.

Sir, what's convenient right now is what we have right now. Yes people tend to forget all of those, but like I said the past posts, none of those matter now.

Fight's about to be made, Team Pacquiao making noise like never before, Floyd not sayin' anything about anything, they're all entitled to it, even Floyd's silence, it's all cool! Floyd's his own boss, Manny's a YES MAN to Arum.

What's smellin' is GBP not saying anything about scumbag Arum's rants the past few weeks, yes the man's a proven liar, but I just wonder why GBP's not calling out his BS if it is indeed BS.

[firstborn]

Does anyone even know what the terms of the new contract are? How can you blame one side if you dont know all the facts?

[Tamis!]

We're talking about right now buddy, quit living in the past. There's no excuses this time.

LOL exactly like my point above! ^^^^^^^^

[prsi]

Why does Arum keep negotiating through the media for all his fights?

Because he is not sure awhat PBF will decide as is the rest of the world

Why does he continue to negotiate with his own fighters for a fight with Manny?

Becaause it's easier for him to make the fights and more money to but he is waiting for PBF to decide also

If he really wanted to get this fight done now, he wouldn't be negotiating through the media like they agreed to last year and he wouldn't be telling the world about his plans for Manny to fight Cotto or Margacheato. What happened to the gag order from both sides?

He really wants the fight that's why he is waiting. He can easily make another fight right now but he is givng PBF the benefit of the doubt. Regarding the GAG order that was establish for the negotiation for PBF-Pacman not for any other fight that Pacman/Arum might be considering just in case the fight falls thru. By the way in terms of the Pacman-PBF Gag order, have you heard Arum/Pacman talk about any details of the contract? Have you heard them talk about a plit. They simply have said that they have reached an agreement and are waiting for PBF. Same thing has been said by GBP who is assigned by PBF to represent him in the negotiations. Is that violating the Gag Order??

Why do we continue to hear something new from every member in Pac's team? A real professional doesn't go around talking **** in the media and negotiating in the media.

Everything new is about other possibilities. In regards to PBF everything is old, they just say they are waiting for PBF. That's Old

Floyd already told them months ago he was not going to sign a contract unless he got a bigger split of the purse and Manny agrees to no cut off date for the testing. No point in giving him a bull**** offer

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Whether or not that has been agreed to we don't know because he has not accepted or refused the contract and there is a Gag Order prohibiting the details of what was agreed to by Pacman/Arum and GBP in representation of PBF.

Ture that most of the talking has been done by Pacman side an we are yet to hear from PBF, but iy is also true that De La Hoya, has clearly said on public TV that at this moment it is up to PBF to make the fight.
Basically that give us a little more than 1 side of the story because De La Hoya is actually assigned by PBF to take care of the negotiations ofr this fight.

[andrew14]

*****s here are in this thread are hilarious and idiots....

why the hell they have to defend a mouthful and a talkative PBF that now is

already muted... silenced by Pacman...

all *******s wants to see this fight..

do you *****s want to see this fight or what????? :

dont defend why the hell PBF is not talking about this fight...

this fight is very huge and a historic fight.

[badecisioncotto]

Sure. Manny Pacquiao has a reputation of delivering fast-paced action fights against any opponent. He can sell fights on his own name alone, as he proved with Clottey (unless you think 51,000 people went to Cowboy Stadium to watch the "Grandmaster"). You'd have to go back to Baldomir to find a fight Floyd sold on his own (325,000 PPV buys) because every other fight he's had since then featured a strong B-side fighter with him. Stated simply, Pacquiao does not need to fight a strong opponent or even an opponent with a big fanbase to sell tickets and pay-per-views, because he is an exciting enough fighter on his own that people will want to see him fight anyway.

Mayweather is not that kind of fighter. He needs someone either with a large fanbase (Marquez, De La Hoya) that can get riled up for their man to beat him, or he needs a competitive fight on paper (Mosley) to convince the general boxing fan that it will be a competitive fight. Mayweather-De La Hoya was successful on both fronts which is why it did so well, and certainly a great deal of the buys can be attributed to Mayweather's ability to hype a fight. But it's still true that Mayweather would not be able to sell tickets without these big-name fighters against him. Again, could Mayweather sell 700,000 PPV buys against Josh Clottey last March? I doubt it. Could Pacquiao sell 1.4 million against Mosley last May? I'd think it would be pretty close.

Finally Pacquiao brings the casual boxing fan to the table. Floyd is a master boxer and ring technician but he's no Mike Tyson and he takes very few risks in the ring. Manny is a quick guy with pop and power who can actually draw people into the sport and make them fans with his gung-ho fighting style. You could drum up interest in this Mayweather fight just by showing old Manny clips to people that have never seen the sport before. Mayweather's exciting in his own way, but not to the uninformed masses who don't watch the sport regularly when the heavyweight division is dead.

If I was arguing for a Pacquiao 60-40 split, I would end this by saying that Mayweather has nowhere else to go, he's stuck fighting Pacquiao unless he wants to go up in weight or fight Tim Bradley or something. I could write a similar post for you detailing what I would expect a 60-40 for Mayweather to look like. Frankly though I feel the purse split should be 50-50. Neither fighter has proven conclusively that they are the bigger PPV draw, or that they are the better fighter and deserve the split, or whatever. And it's irrelevant anyway because no boxing fan is buying this fight because they want to see only one of these fighters, so there's no reason for one to get more money over the other.

I understand u could argue on mayweathers behalf as well, but in a nutshell u just said manny would be right to get 60-40 because in your opinion he has proven he can sell tickets on his own(via clottey) but mayweather cant because he needed a decent B-side fighter...and u said shane only looked good on paper?



I definetely dont agree with your reasoning, for 1 u cant prove how many people bought his PPV's to c him or to c him lose. But I wont argue the points mostly cause theyve been run into the ground on this site plus wahatever counter I use would probably be in your argument for may getting 60-40 anyway.


Most of the points u stated arent negotiating points, manny bringing in casual fans does no good when it proves to still be lesser than mays numbers and his gate is even worse; no matter how many people showed for those cheap tickets. Some would argue manny doesnt have that much more options than floyd either.


And finally by your reasoning if floyd could go back in time he should re-negotiate with ODLH for 50-50 because no matter how much bigger oscar was he wouldnt have did those numbers with any1 but floyd, so even though oscar historically pulled in bigger #'s than may he shouldve only have gotten 50% because he obviously didnt come close to those numbers from any1 else....correct?