Mayweather vs Duran: Who would have won at 140?

[oldgringo]

Stay away from the crack, Because you're talking out of your ass. Again you are blind to say Mayweather was hurt. Mayweather would've beaten Duran in his sleep. Sugar ray won the brawl & won the NO MAS fight. Go watch the fight again. Duran lost to Esteban De Jesus, Kirkland Laing, Wilfred Benitez & Sugar Ray Leonard all in his prime years. Don't overrate Duran, he was fun fighter to watch, but guys like Myaweather would've had an easy time with Duran. Sugar Ray proved it. Also Duran power wasn't all that great, Sugar Ray brawled with him & should've won the first fight, but Sugar Ray got screwed in that fight.

Wow nice little clever line there. You learn that in middle school jackass?

I've seen about 10 Mayweather fights, and I've seen him take good shots and take them well. I've seen him against Corrales, Castillo x2, N'Dou, Hernandez, Chavez, Bruseles, Gatti, Hernandez, and Corley...I know that he was hurt in the 4th by that hook because HE DIDN'T SEE IT. It rocked him and sent him into the ropes and had him covering up. Sorry but he was hurt, stop trying to sugar coat things for your boyfriend.

You're getting worse and worse by the post. Now Floyd beats the greatest lightweight ever in his sleep huh? Keep digging...

I've watched the fight about 4 times over and have it 8-7 Duran every time. I can send you the fight if you want so you can see it again so you'll cut the delusional bull****.

The only fights that Duran lost in his true "PRIME" years were to DeJesus and I guess the second Leonard fight. But once again you have to remember that DeJesus was one hell of a fighter, and would have given any lightweight throughout history a very hard fight. He alone fought and beat Duran, Saldivar, Viruet, Lampkin, etc...

Every other loss that you see on Durans record come way above his best weight and WAY above his starting weight. By the time Duran lost to Benitez, he had already had something like 75+ pro fights and had been in tough fights with DeJesus, Buchanan, Mamby, Thompson, Lampkin, Palomino and Leonard among others. He was 3 classes above his best weight and theres no shame in losing to master boxers like Hearns and Benitez when you're naturally much smaller than they are.

You aren't even thinking about what Duran did at higher weights. He knocked out one of the more fearsome punchers ever in Pipino Cuevas, gave maybe the greatest middleweight ever in Marvin Hagler 15 rounds of complete hell, and beat a hard punching Iran Barkley for the middleweight title in '89.

He was one of the most complete fighters in the history of the sport and was a monster at 135/140. Mayweather would have lasted maybe 10 or 11 with him before being worn out and KOed.

Also, Mayweather is nowhere near the fighter at 140 that Ray Leonard was at 147.

Remember...THIS DUDE STARTED HIS CAREER AS A BANTAMWEIGHT. Do you really see Floyd Mayweather moving up to 160 right now and giving Bernard Hopkins or Jermain Taylor 12 or 15 rounds of complete hell? Could you see him moving up and making Winky Wright fight his fight and pulling out a close decision? That's really about 1/2 of what Duran did in taking Hagler to the brink and beating Leonard at 147.

[jack_the_rippuh]

Yeah, I get what you're saying about his greatness and this and that, OG, but what about Mayweather's style? Duran showed that he can't deal with a speedy boxer who doesn't fight his fight and stays on the outside in Leonard II.

The reason what made me come to the conclusion that Mayweather would outbox him if he can keep from getting caught with any big shots is because of Mayweather's great speed and boxing skills and Duran's fight with Ray Leonard. When it comes to styles, I just think Mayweather would give Duran big problems and frustrate him.

[jack_the_rippuh]

Another thing I'd like to say is that, though you hold a strong argument, I don't think saying how Duran gave Hagler hell is a very good supporting statement, Duran gave Hagler hell because of styles. I don't think this fight would be a blow out, but if Mayweather could survive Duran's onslaught when Duran closes the distance and fight from the outside on his bike all night, he can win a clear decision.

[mic573]

Mayweather would have to be on his bike all night long.

[Parodius]

Wow nice little clever line there. You learn that in middle school jackass?

I've seen about 10 Mayweather fights, and I've seen him take good shots and take them well. I've seen him against Corrales, Castillo x2, N'Dou, Hernandez, Chavez, Bruseles, Gatti, Hernandez, and Corley...I know that he was hurt in the 4th by that hook because HE DIDN'T SEE IT. It rocked him and sent him into the ropes and had him covering up. Sorry but he was hurt, stop trying to sugar coat things for your boyfriend.

You're getting worse and worse by the post. Now Floyd beats the greatest lightweight ever in his sleep huh? Keep digging...

I've watched the fight about 4 times over and have it 8-7 Duran every time. I can send you the fight if you want so you can see it again so you'll cut the delusional bull****.

The only fights that Duran lost in his true "PRIME" years were to DeJesus and I guess the second Leonard fight. But once again you have to remember that DeJesus was one hell of a fighter, and would have given any lightweight throughout history a very hard fight. He alone fought and beat Duran, Saldivar, Viruet, Lampkin, etc...

Every other loss that you see on Durans record come way above his best weight and WAY above his starting weight. By the time Duran lost to Benitez, he had already had something like 75+ pro fights and had been in tough fights with DeJesus, Buchanan, Mamby, Thompson, Lampkin, Palomino and Leonard among others. He was 3 classes above his best weight and theres no shame in losing to master boxers like Hearns and Benitez when you're naturally much smaller than they are.

You aren't even thinking about what Duran did at higher weights. He knocked out one of the more fearsome punchers ever in Pipino Cuevas, gave maybe the greatest middleweight ever in Marvin Hagler 15 rounds of complete hell, and beat a hard punching Iran Barkley for the middleweight title in '89.

He was one of the most complete fighters in the history of the sport and was a monster at 135/140. Mayweather would have lasted maybe 10 or 11 with him before being worn out and KOed.

Also, Mayweather is nowhere near the fighter at 140 that Ray Leonard was at 147.

Remember...THIS DUDE STARTED HIS CAREER AS A BANTAMWEIGHT. Do you really see Floyd Mayweather moving up to 160 right now and giving Bernard Hopkins or Jermain Taylor 12 or 15 rounds of complete hell? Could you see him moving up and making Winky Wright fight his fight and pulling out a close decision? That's really about 1/2 of what Duran did in taking Hagler to the brink and beating Leonard at 147.

Quit with the ass licking of your boy Duran. The reason you have it 8 to 7 for Duran, is because you see the fight in a different way, because he is your boy. Don't forget you just called him the greatest lightweight of all time. Which is a joke! The only good fighter he fought when he was in lightweight devision, was Esteban De Jesus & guess what he lost the first fight to Esteban De Jesus, which other good fighters he beat in the lightweight devision, he beat bunch of bums. Yea he moved up slowly & keep losing to the big names. He had lost 4 times by the age of 30 which is your prime years, then he lost to Hagler & Hearns by the age of 32 or 33. He lost most of his big fights. Don't overrate this guy. You mentioned Iran Barkley, that was another gift decision, again he's your boy friend & you will not agree that he lost the fight. Iran Barkley wasn't anything special. Barkley wasn't anything special, he was OK.

[oldgringo]

Another thing I'd like to say is that, though you hold a strong argument, I don't think saying how Duran gave Hagler hell is a very good supporting statement, Duran gave Hagler hell because of styles. I don't think this fight would be a blow out, but if Mayweather could survive Duran's onslaught when Duran closes the distance and fight from the outside on his bike all night, he can win a clear decision.

This isn't a matter of styles. It's not like Duran was some mindless slugger who only beat other fighters when they'd brawl on the inside or would go in for the rough fight.

Duran was a complete fighter at lower weights. He could jab with you and he threw punches in combination well. He was much better when he was brawling but he wasn't 1 dimensional by any means. He knew how to cut off a ring and brought more pressure than a game winning free throw. The only fighters I can see beating a PRIME 135 Duran on his best night is Pernell Whitaker, and that's just because he had the powerful legs, incredible footwork, the defense, and was insanely clever.

Durans defense was also extremely good and is always overlooked by dudes who really haven't seen him fight much. He blocked a lot of punches on his gloves and slipped a lot of punches inside and out.

I brought up the Hagler point to show what his level of fighting was like SEVERAL weight classes above his best weight. Kind of like a "if he was so good at 160, imagine what he was like at 135/140" thing. Hagler was also a complete boxer in his prime too. A lot of people only remember the tired, worn out version of Hagler that brawled with Mugabi, Leonard and Hearns. In his prime and when he fought Duran he was more of that complete fighter who was great at boxing and brawling.

Seriously jack, could you ever see Mayweather moving up to 168 and beating Jeff Lacy? That's pretty much the equivilant of what Duran did when he beat Barkley at 160. Again the point of that is to show you that Duran could fight that well at that high of a weight...imagine what he could do at 135 and 140.

[mic573]

This isn't a matter of styles. It's not like Duran was some mindless slugger who only beat other fighters when they'd brawl on the inside or would go in for the rough fight.

Duran was a complete fighter at lower weights. He could jab with you and he threw punches in combination well. He was much better when he was brawling but he wasn't 1 dimensional by any means. He knew how to cut off a ring and brought more pressure than a game winning free throw. The only fighters I can see beating a PRIME 135 Duran on his best night is Pernell Whitaker, and that's just because he had the powerful legs, incredible footwork, the defense, and was insanely clever.

Durans defense was also extremely good and is always overlooked by dudes who really haven't seen him fight much. He blocked a lot of punches on his gloves and slipped a lot of punches inside and out.

I brought up the Hagler point to show what his level of fighting was like SEVERAL weight classes above his best weight. Kind of like a "if he was so good at 160, imagine what he was like at 135/140" thing. Hagler was also a complete boxer in his prime too. A lot of people only remember the tired, worn out version of Hagler that brawled with Mugabi, Leonard and Hearns. In his prime and when he fought Duran he was more of that complete fighter who was great at boxing and brawling.

Seriously jack, could you ever see Mayweather moving up to 168 and beating Jeff Lacy? That's pretty much the equivilant of what Duran did when he beat Barkley at 160. Again the point of that is to show you that Duran could fight that well at that high of a weight...imagine what he could do at 135 and 140.

This is what I have been saying. Duran was very skilled in his prime and his defense was severly underrated.

[AintGottaClue]

Have you ever seen the fight, I bid you haven't seen it. Duran should've lost the fight. It was gift decision. Aren't you the same guy that think Strum is the best middleweight & Hatton is the best. Crackhead!

no but u must be on crack i dont recall ever saying that hatton is the best light welter

[oldgringo]

Hey Parodius here ya go.


Is Roberto Duran the greatest leightweight ever?


Now shut the **** up. This isn't just me and the crazy aliens in my head saying this stuff you clown.

[Parodius]

no but u must be on crack i dont recall ever saying that hatton is the best light welter

You do think that Strum is the best middleweight, so that makes you a crackhead. Didn't you say that Hatton will beat Mayweather???