How effective is taking HGH two weeks before a fight?

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  • AllEyesOpen
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    #51
    If to weeks is too short to benefit from HGH, then why would one ask for the window? why does someone need 14 days of not blood testing?

    How about this one; If the USADA ran a successful program for Mayweather/Mosley and stopped with plently of time before the fight, and still made sure the fighters were expecting it and stayed clean, why not let them do their job?

    We can easily talk about what can or can't help a fighter 2 weeks before the fight, but what we don't know about are the designer drugs that could, i doubt that since Balco closed down no one has stepped in to fill the need, and since PEDs are constantly being made harder to detect, the method to detect them should always be evolving as well.

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    • Vito Corleone
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      #52
      Originally posted by AFighter4U
      I gave links of cyclists CAUGHT USING EPO. Its not a rare thing.

      Unlike random olympic-style blood tests which caught..... ONE cheat in the DECADES IT HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED.

      Saying something is fact and PROVING IT are two entirely different things, and you haven't backed up what you've been saying with hard evidence.
      Olympic style testing has only caught ONE cheat? Are you legally insane?

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      • AFighter4U
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        #53
        Originally posted by yesir
        really? how come shane didnt get caught?
        Cuz he used Conte's Cream and Clear. But it shouldn't be a problem for you since Pac already agreed to be randomly blood tested up to 14 days before the fight.

        Which is AGAIN why i'm asking if 14 days of taking HGH would be effective?

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        • AllEyesOpen
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          #54
          Originally posted by Vito Corleone
          Olympic style testing has only caught ONE cheat? Are you legally insane?
          It has caught 1 athlete on HGH, since it's had an effective test to catch someone on HGH, which hasn't been that long.

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          • AFighter4U
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            #55
            Originally posted by Vito Corleone
            Olympic style testing has only caught ONE cheat? Are you legally insane?
            You're asking if i'm insane for saying ONE cheat was caught.

            But i remember you also saying ALL cheating cyclists got away with cheating.

            I showed you cyclists caught cheating with EPO.

            Please show me links for boxers or even athletes caught using HGH through olympic-style blood tests.

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            • AFighter4U
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              #56
              Originally posted by Vito Corleone
              "ALL" was hyperbolic.

              95% of them get away with it. How's that?
              And where may i ask did you get that 95% statistic?

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                #57
                Originally posted by Vito Corleone
                Why do you SOLELY focus on HGH?

                If there's anything we learned from the BALCO affair, it's that there are a whole host of drugs used that surprised the regulators. Drugs that were originally intended for OTHER uses. Like modafinil. Like insulin, etc.

                Why are you obsessed with only HGH like no other drug exists? Was HGH the main drug that Bonds took? Marion Jones? Mark McGwire? Tim Montgomery?

                Also, the testers have shifted to testing for the masking agents as much as testing for the drugs because it is relatively easy for a skilled scientist to slightly modify an existing drug to beat detection (that;s what THG was).

                For example, Manny Ramirez didn't get busted for steroids...he got caught with a known masking/leveling agent in his system.
                Because only blood tests can detect HGH and not urine, which is the point of contention why Floyd jr. insists on the blood tests.

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by Vito Corleone
                  Olympic style testing has only caught ONE cheat? Are you legally insane?
                  According to Tygart's testimony about WADA's past history of how effective the tests are, the conclusion was 1 athlete (UK Rugby Player) was found to have doped up. One guy in the last 8 years. Correct me if I'm wrong. I believe the full article is floating around here.

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                  • Picazo
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                    #59
                    No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                    • AFighter4U
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by AllEyesOpen
                      If to weeks is too short to benefit from HGH, then why would one ask for the window? why does someone need 14 days of not blood testing?

                      How about this one; If the USADA ran a successful program for Mayweather/Mosley and stopped with plently of time before the fight, and still made sure the fighters were expecting it and stayed clean, why not let them do their job?

                      We can easily talk about what can or can't help a fighter 2 weeks before the fight, but what we don't know about are the designer drugs that could, i doubt that since Balco closed down no one has stepped in to fill the need, and since PEDs are constantly being made harder to detect, the method to detect them should always be evolving as well.
                      My question is not WHY the 14 days. My question is HOW EFFECTIVE IS TAKING HGH 14 DAYS BEFORE A FIGHT?

                      Regardless of the reason, WILL TAKING HGH 14 DAYS BEFORE A FIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE A BENEFIT?

                      So far, no one has answered the question.

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