Who Exactley Did Roy Jones Jr Duck??????

[Super_Lightweight]

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Michalczewski WBA WBO IBF Ring Magazine Linear Lt Heavyweight Champion.

Graciano Rochigiani WBC Lt Heavyweight Champion

Michael Nunn

Gerald McClellan

Nigel Benn

Chris Eubank

Mike McCallum

Steve Collins

Joe Calzaghe

From this list, take any one guy and find out how many of the other guys from the list they fought and then you will see why this is a ridiculous thread.

[JUYJUY]

From this list, take any one guy and find out how many of the other guys from the list they fought and then you will see why this is a ridiculous thread.

But none of those guys are remembered as "better than Ray Robinson" after defeating the 'Nigel Benn wannnabe' Richard Hall. The point of the thread is that Roy Jones is over-rated, grossly infact.

Oh and most of those guys did fight eachother actually, there were loads of fights involving two out of those respective individuals.

[legend]

Growing up, all I ever saw was Jones beating up on people I had barely heard of. I don't know for a fact if he was ducking the top guys, but the top guys sure as hell weren't in there fighting him. Since he was the big name and offered the most marketability, I don't see why the other guys would be ducking him. I always just thought that Jones was so enamored by his success that he didn't want to risk getting beat. He might not have gotten beat, but he must have had some serious doubts. Let's not forget that Jones was simply a fast fighter with fast reflexes, nothing more. We all saw his TRUE boxing ability when he aged a little bit and lost his superior speed and agility. Without his speed and agility, Jones gets beat by likely every top fighter in his prime. The man can't take a punch for ****.

[Super_Lightweight]

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Without his speed and agility, Jones gets beat by likely every top fighter in his prime. The man can't take a punch for ****.

Uhh so? If you take away Ray Leonard's speed and agility, he gets KTFO by Tommy Hearns 9 times outta 10. If you take away Larry Holmes' chin, he has no legacy. How can you take away a great fighter's best attributes, and then say "without this he was nothing, so that means he wasn't really that good"?

Would you like some fries with that coke u been snortin?

[JUYJUY]

I've always said that Jones had good athleticism and great reflexes but that it didn't go much further than that. His fundamentals weren't very good at all really.

[legend]

Uhh so? If you take away Ray Leonard's speed and agility, he gets KTFO by Tommy Hearns 9 times outta 10. If you take away Larry Holmes' chin, he has no legacy. How can you take away a great fighter's best attributes, and then say "without this he was nothing, so that means he wasn't really that good"?

Would you like some fries with that coke u been snortin?

Fries with coke I'm snorting? Are you ******ed or something? I'll clarify my point so that you MIGHT understand. Jones had no boxing ability and couldn't take a punch. His fundamentals were ****. His ability to get out of the way of punches that would otherwise KO him was his only strength. If you think this attribute is worthy of legendary praise more power to you.

BTW, Leonard had boxing ability that Jones could onyl dream about. Shame on you for mentioning them in the same post.

[Super_Lightweight]

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JuyJuy, surely bynow you've realized I have you on ignore. No need for you to respond to me. I got tired of responding to someone who has no clue what they're talking about a long time ago.

[legend]

JuyJuy, surely bynow you've realized I have you on ignore. No need for you to respond to me. I got tired of responding to someone who has no clue what they're talking about a long time ago.

Oh yeah, like having Jones in your avatar makes you so unbiased about this topic. You're an idiot.

[Super_Lightweight]

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Jones had no boxing ability and couldn't take a punch. His fundamentals were ****. His ability to get out of the way of punches that would otherwise KO him was his only strength. If you think this attribute is worthy of legendary praise more power to you.

You deal with extremes only I see. Roy did have boxing ability, obviously. He was a champion. There is no official document that says "this is how you have to fight". Guess what, Roy was sucessful and that's all that matters. If you don't realize that, you have no credibility at all on accessing anyone's greatness.

Oh and by the way, that ridiculous argument "Roy has no chin" holds little water also. You obviously hasn't watched much Roy Jones. He took flat out punches from Del Valle, Toney, Hopkins, and Ruiz clocked him good once or twice. If his chin was that bad, he would have been KOd by those guys. Getting KOd after losing 15 lbs of muscle and at 35 years of age doesn't describe your chin. For you to think that is just idiotic. You like to rush to judgements I see. Hell, if Roy's chin was so bad he would have been KOd in the first Tarver fight. There's plenty of evidence that Roy's chin was made somewhat weaker by losing a lot of muscle mass (which causes brain damage by the way), aging, and receiving numerous rabbit punches from Tarver in the first fight (check out the ginormous lump on the back of Roy's head after the fight).

In any case, this is all really not neccessary. A chin doesn't make you a great fighter. Jirov has a great chin, Earnie Shavers had a great chin but those guys won't be going down in history the way that Roy is. I'm not tryin to say Roy is/was better than Sugar Ray Rob but I hope by now you get the point.

Anyway, I've said what I needed to say. There's nothing else to talk about. If you have an issue, refer to my earlier posts. Peace.

[Tha Greatest]

I agree with the part with Super Lightweight about the weight loss..

I am by no means a Roy Jones fan, but he is the most talented fighter next to Floyd Mayweather jr.

He did duck a LOT of fighters as well though..

He had been talkin about goin up to heavyweight since 1996!!
He never did then because he was waiting for the safest heavyweight that you can find, and his name is JOHN RUIZ, the biggest bum to wear a heavyweight belt...

But when Jones was weighin 193 against Ruiz, he had to lose 18 pounds to fight Tarver...and when he was at heavyweight, he had 6% bodyfat, so basically he had to lost 18 pounds of what was mostly muscle...

So that for sure affected his reflexes for the Tarver fight and ruined him...

but remember as I said, I am not a Roy Jones fan so please don't start calling me a nuthugger..

Thank you.