Who Exactley Did Roy Jones Jr Duck??????

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  • TIGER
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    #101
    Originally posted by McKay
    Michalczewski had a great jab, a good chin, and f***cker was determined. Michalczewski was almost as good of a boxer puncher as you will ever see
    The Tiger Dariusz Michalczewski KO chicken Roy Jones Jr like - Mark Prince 1998-09-19 Oberhausen Germany W KO 8 WBO Light Heavyweight Title

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    • Super_Lightweight
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      #102
      hmm

      Roy didn't duck those fighters at all. He didn't duck "a lot" of fighters. There is simply no evidence to support that. You should do your own research instead of assuming things.

      If those guys wanted to fight Roy, they should have become a mandatory challenger like Tarver and Woods did. They forced a fight by becoming a mandatory. That's all the others had to do.

      Roy didn't duck all those Euro fighters. You simply cannot claim that Greatest. They were never number one mands and they never came to the U.S. Since they were so eager to challenge Roy, it was pretty foolish of them to call Roy out and expect him to fight them on their turf.

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      • streetdreams
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        #103
        look Jones IS considered one of the best of our time, theres nothing anyone can say that will change that. those names you listed, ya they wanted to fight him so did anyone lookin for there big break. when your a contender you fight those ABOVE you, not down and as said Jones was puttin BIG NAMES on the mat. BIG NAMES that woulda laughed at some of your prospects, so dont try to take anything from him. I hate when people try to belittle someone who
        who gone out and made achievments in theyre industry by mentioning things they cant find on paper

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        • ottoevans
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          #104
          ok.. this might be a bold statment but..... Roy Jones is the greatest fighter to ever live period. I give props to Robinson and ali, but ali wasnt as talented as roy and robinson fought in a era where fighter would have 10 fights in a day.

          to even compare bums like Eubank or Benn is like comparing Scott Mitchell to Dan Marino (for my English friends; its like comparing Pele or Diego Maradona to freaking Eric Wynalda of the US)

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          • Super_Lightweight
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            #105
            hmm

            p4p Roy might be as good as Ali, but Ali's accomplishments are considered better than Roy's. Since to me, what makes a fighter great is a combonation of "how skilled they appeared to be" and "what they actually accomplished in terms of who they beat" I would say Ali and Robinson are the higher ranking fighters than Roy. However if you were to say that as far as natural skills go that Roy was as good as them I might agree.

            Also, I wouldn't call Eubank and Benn bums. Benn was good, and Eubank as better than Benn, but yes neither were on Roy's level as Brits would love for you to believe.

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            • Truth
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              #106
              Originally posted by Super_Lightweight
              p4p Roy might be as good as Ali, but Ali's accomplishments are considered better than Roy's. Since to me, what makes a fighter great is a combonation of "how skilled they appeared to be" and "what they actually accomplished in terms of who they beat" I would say Ali and Robinson are the higher ranking fighters than Roy. However if you were to say that as far as natural skills go that Roy was as good as them I might agree.

              Also, I wouldn't call Eubank and Benn bums. Benn was good, and Eubank as better than Benn, but yes neither were on Roy's level as Brits would love for you to believe.
              I watching some of Roy's fight today and he did have some tough fights. Everyone always say he was never challenged, that not true from what I saw.

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              • ricecrispi
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                #107
                Roy is talented physically but doesn't have the accomplishments to prove it. He was supposed to be stripped for Roids, but wasn't. Wonder how much he paid for that favor?

                RJJ will always be in the history books for beating Ruiz for the HeavyW championship. Something he careful planned out. He did beat a tough but unskilled Ruiz who was hand picked by boxing gods for RJJ. If RJJ was serious, he would've fought Byrd instead, then Ruiz. The problem is Byrd has skills but not dangeerous. In the end it would've made RJJ seem not as good as everyone thought he was and diminish his overall career. RJJ fights Ruiz and looks like a boxing god because Ruiz fought the wrong fight and never got a rematch. Ruiz would've mauled RJJ in a rematch. Instead Tarver open his big mouth and got his 5 mins for beating the man. Can someone please get a mic for Tarver so he can challenge Tyson next.

                Roy did duck the best fighters in the mid 90's Mccellan, Nunn, Jackson, Benn, Eubanks. It's plain and simple. No need to complicate it. There were many fights he could've had at middlewight or supermiddlewieght. He wasn't the best fighter in either class and jumped ship early to Lt. Heavies to feast on slim pickings. RJJ talks about beating the best but it doens't matter to him. It's about RJJ taking care of RJJ. That is by not getting hurt in the ring and making money fighting a few bums. If you watch his fights you would know it's not about being the best fighter or impressing boxing fans. It was about money with the less risk invovlved. That is RJJ's MO and has been.

                Benn and Eubanks were great fighter but JUYJUY, you have to admit, both were reluctant in fighting in the states because of being hand a bad decision. Benn was a bit worried fight McCellan in the states. It happen to Lewis and Sturm recently. Did everyone forget? That is why guys don't fight oversees anymore and it's a shame. I'm not saying the two Brits duck RJJ because they would've fought over in the States. Back in there heads they would have to be think about getting the shaft. That effects the business side of fights as both side jockey on what soil to fight on. Not to complicate things to much, RJJ duck these two as well.

                I think that's a legit reason why roy didn't fight DM and DM didn't fight RJJ. Both had weary eyes on each other and being robbed by a bad decision. That's why i think the DM arguement is bad. It was kinda a mutual thing. DM was raised on fighting bums and RJJ on rent a cops. Both undefeated and champs and making good money. These two were of the same breed and saw that in each other. That's why it never happened with both fighters trying to avoid each other and pointing the finger at each other.

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                • JUYJUY
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                  #108
                  Originally posted by Super_Lightweight
                  Roy didn't duck those fighters at all. He didn't duck "a lot" of fighters. There is simply no evidence to support that. You should do your own research instead of assuming things.

                  If those guys wanted to fight Roy, they should have become a mandatory challenger like Tarver and Woods did. They forced a fight by becoming a mandatory. That's all the others had to do.

                  Roy didn't duck all those Euro fighters. You simply cannot claim that Greatest. They were never number one mands and they never came to the U.S. Since they were so eager to challenge Roy, it was pretty foolish of them to call Roy out and expect him to fight them on their turf.
                  Ridiculous post.

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                  • JUYJUY
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                    #109
                    Originally posted by ottoevans
                    ok.. this might be a bold statment but..... Roy Jones is the greatest fighter to ever live period. I give props to Robinson and ali, but ali wasnt as talented as roy and robinson fought in a era where fighter would have 10 fights in a day.

                    to even compare bums like Eubank or Benn is like comparing Scott Mitchell to Dan Marino (for my English friends; its like comparing Pele or Diego Maradona to freaking Eric Wynalda of the US)
                    Ridiculous post.

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                    • JUYJUY
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                      #110
                      Originally posted by streetdreams
                      look Jones IS considered one of the best of our time, theres nothing anyone can say that will change that. those names you listed, ya they wanted to fight him so did anyone lookin for there big break. when your a contender you fight those ABOVE you, not down and as said Jones was puttin BIG NAMES on the mat. BIG NAMES that woulda laughed at some of your prospects, so dont try to take anything from him. I hate when people try to belittle someone who
                      who gone out and made achievments in theyre industry by mentioning things they cant find on paper
                      Ridiculous post.

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