Your gut feeling Manny - Floyd

[Mrmza]

Pacquiao to win in Round 10. It'll be a close fight in the early stages but Pac will smother him with punches, punches & more punches. Mayweather will try and find a way to counter but Pac will load and re-load whilst throwing 2-3 combos.

Round 10, either Roger or Floyd Sr will throw in the towel....

Pac is too hungry for this fight...he WANTS this...Mayweather on the other hand doesn't seem to be bothered too much really..which is a shame for him and boxing as a sport.

I'm still hoping that it gets signed for a November bout though!!!

[chito]

No there will be no slug fest. When I say drag Pac into a fight I mean Drag Pac into just HIM wanting to throw a bunch of punches when in reality due to the styles Pac should be the one moving and letting Floyd throw. When Floyd comes forward hes not trowing a million punches. Hes still smart about it.

Some odd reason?? How many times have you watched the fight? I saw it so many times I lost count. There was no odd reason. It was a clear reason. Shane has NO defense and Floyd exploited it. Shane had no idea what Floyd was going to throw. Shane has no defense for jabs or right hands and Floyd couldnt miss him.

I can easily say "If Clottey was actually letting his hands go, I seriously doubt PAC would have been able to walk him down the majority of the fight"

But that would be silly wouldnt it? Shane throwing more just wouldve got him countered more. And actually if you watch he did let his hands go nothing landed after the 2nd round. Clottey throwing more wouldve got him KO'd.

i believe clottey would have been kayoed if he did let his hands go.

[HARLEM AL]

Floyd UD. I actually see floyd pressing manny after the first 2 or 3 rounds.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

i believe clottey would have been kayoed if he did let his hands go.

So do I was just making the point that his assumption was off.

[fabie]

I've been dying to see a Pac fan break the down the fight.

Physically these fighters are even. They are both fast, both strong , both good fighters.

I think overall Floyd is the more polished better fighter and Pac is the more explosive fighter.

However what separates these two isnt skill or speed or resume. Its smarts. The smarter fighter will win.

What I have come to realize is that Floyd doesnt fight with his fists he fights with his brain. Watch the Shane Mosley fight. The adjustments he make are so ridiculous. He gets hit with 2 huge right hands in round 2. Shane goes the next 30 minutes without landing another right hand.

Adjustments. Floyd has that down to a science. He will find a weakness and poke and prod at it until his opponent is mentally and physically beaten up.

Against Pac will be no different. He will find something that works. Most think it will be the lead right. And to a certain extent I agree that is the pucnh that will light Manny up alot.

BUT.....

Floyds jab is laser accurate and blazing fast. It didnt miss Shane once. When Floyd threw it Shane had no idea what to do. Floyds jab will be important than his lead right. The lead right is always there but the Jab will make that lead right even more deadly when he throws it.

Also watch for body punching. Vs. Lefties Floyd attacks the body relentlessly.

Corley, Judah, and Mitchell got pounded to the body. Mitchell was stopped to the body and Judah was hurt to the body several times. Floyds body punching is nuts and goes unnoticed to the casual viewer. Pacs body will be attacked and hard.

Lastly...

Watch for inside fighting. Watch the clinches. Watch how Floyd maneuvers on the inside. Pac is not a good inside fighter. Floyds is hard to hit on the inside and he can still get off laser right hands and hard body shots on the inside. I dont think this fight will be competitive or close in any shape form or fashion.

Floyd will win almost every round. Early rounds will be Floyds but he will turn it up later in the fight and do more damage.

I got Floyd 10 rounds to 2. Or late stoppage around Round 10.

Cut and Paste from different Threads I have posted....Keys for this mythical fight.

This was a cut and paste on a thread about why "Pacquiao and Roach using unknown sparring partners and why"...this is relevant to how I see this mythical Pacquiao-Mayweather fight.....too much to retype thus the cut and paste.

I think that most people doesn't realize is that NO ONE can actually be like Mayweather but what Roach is doing (and he is doing just great) is to work with specific attributes and applying his strategy with "quick fisted fighters"...

I think that his ways of teaching is really conducive to the way Pacquiao works, his psyche, his body...and not only Pacquiao believes him, he adores him. Pacquiao is a tireless worker and competitor and Roach can see that in him.

Having said that, the contrasting styles between the Pacquiao and Mayweather really pose for the classical fighters and "how to beat" both. This would mark as something really substantial and to the degree or magnitude of what is at stake in this level of boxing is astounding and mostly intriguing.

I don't care much for the drama but for purely the technicalities of both fighters' approach and style: The Pugilist boxer in Mayweather and the Pugilist Slugger in Pacquiao.

I couldn't believe how Pacquiao transformed from a relatively tactical fighter from the outside and now into a full blown slugger with a twist. He isn't just a rock-em-sock-em robot but with a strategy.

Having said that, Mayweather would still pose great challenges....namely, his jabs, footwork, shoulder rolls, and great defensive skills all capped by his squirrel-like quickness and timing.

My take is how Pacquiao can:

• cut Mayweather off the jab
• counter jabs
• assault Mayweather with his quick footworks

And I think Pacquiao would have to:

• use the right hook AND left cross/hook a lot inorder to counter off the jab
• use footwork and cutting angles outside of Mayweather's left jab
• lateral movements and move to Mayweahter's right cross
• the KILLER LEFT (the cross, the hook and the new famed HOOKERCUT)
• use jabs more

I think those are the keys. While with Mayweather, I think he would look for:

• Catch Pacquiao flatfooted with a jab AND double jabs
• Right cross
• lateral movements mainly to his LEFT and Pacquiao's RIGHT side
• Jab and clinch
• Work him tirelessly from the outside
• lunging left hooks

Having said those, this would be a real megafight, but I am also reserving myself towards a disappointing fight should one of them could actually dominate this fight. It isn't far fetch.

Either fighter can in one fight.

Here's to a great fight and hopefully entertain us to no limit! I am a Pacquiao fan obviously but I am also a Mayweather fan in terms of technicalities. I love Ali's style, the jab and the cross, the footworks.

This was posted from another thread by me when asked "how can Pacquiao dominate Mayweather"....too much to retype thus I have to cut and paste.

If Pacquiao can cut off the ring effectively and much more if he timed his IN-AND-OUT efficiently....then he can dominate Floyd.

But that remains to be seen. As a fan of the JAB and shuffling a la' ALI in Floyd while also being a Pacquiao fan, this will be THE fight of the century.

I am thinking that Pacquiao would have to be in his absolute best with flawless footwork to get in and hit Floyd with great leverage. In that light I can see Pacquiao struggling.

Until Pacquiao lands and hurts Floyd that would or could entice Floyd into a brawl that would obviously give Pacquiao the nod of the fight.

But Pacquiao is deliciously savvy and on the roll. If he can do both his lateral "Triangular" footwork and outside of Floyd's jab AND outside Floyd's Right Cross....then Pacquiao would eat him alive.

But that remains to be seen. Mayweather's quick and darting jabs can also neutralize Pacquiao then clinching.



This was posted on a thread long ago by me...on the issue of "how can Floyd avoid or deter Pacquiao's RIGHT HOOK"....hard to retype all of these and relevant to this thread.

The key, I think for FLOYD is to:

• LEFT JAB as a quick counter while moving laterally to his left. Meaning to "counter" while connecting first.

• Shoulder Roll while leaning to his right as the opponent's RIGHT HOOK is about to land on his left

• Beat the opponent to the punch with his right cross

• Leaning back (upper body)

• Left Guard up (instead of low)

• Bob and Weave to the left and under the Right Hook a la' Pacquiao's Duck and Roll to Hatton's wide left hook or jab

• Beating his opponent's left hook with a sharp and snappy left hook (inside) or a left uppercut...

I just listed or rather exhausted the possibilities of what Floyd CAN do. But in most probability, his well-timed left jab is the most effective while using the footwork and lateral movements to get away from Pacquiao's counters. But if Floyd lands his jabs well, then he either just follow it up with a RIGHT CROSS or just double up on his jab.

Landing those would, in most cases, nullify anyone's RIGHT HOOK or anyone's attack. I said, in most cases....thus a variation of the Left Jab and it's timing/angles are the key for unpredictability.

I think this would be the most that Freddie Roach would study on how Floyd throws his jab. Freddie Roach is looking for habits and patterns, such as:

• Does Floyd do anything such as tapping his gloves before jabbing.

Obviously he doesn't but that is just an example. Most of the time, Floyd would throw his left jab from a stance where his left arm is low on his midsection level (or throw the lunging left hook) while the right arm is always on guard to deter any punches to Floyd's right side in conjunction with his left shoulder (see shoulder roll).

Floyd's footwork is empeccable. The timing of his jabs are such that upon landing the jab, he recoils very quickly with his feet already on a transition towards his lateral left, right or backwards.

Therefore I see Freddie Roach studying the head-on LEFT JAB counters with Pacquiao's right hook to the head or body, right upper cut....or the usual Left Cross to the head, Left hook, left uppercut or the left hookercut (see Cotto going down on the 3th round).

From my own humble observation, I can see Pacquiao going on the outside of Floyd's left foot on a 45 degree before even Floyd throws his jab. This is a typical FMA (Filipino Martial art - Kali/escrima/arnis which I am practicing) positioning inorder to cut the opponent with a left lead...

I can see possibilities of Pacquiao throwing the right hook to Floyd's left rib or left side of the face or even a right uppercut. Then of course, the usual bread and butter weapon, HIS LEFT CROSS or LEFT UPPERCUT or LEFT HOOK. (either to the face or body).

Timing is obviously a crucial issue and so is the footwork involved with it. That is why I know Freddie Roach is very much concerned about teaching Pacquiao the way to "cut" Floyd outside inorder to be the aggressor and putting Floyd on the utmost defensive.

I can also see lateral movement to the left (bob and weaving) Floyd's RIGHT CROSS, then going with Pacquiao's left hook to the body and going upstairs with the left hook.

Many possibilities...

I see this fight as a salivating feast for an armchair boxer in me...while being a practitioner or student of the FMA and JKD...

[krispy kreme]

My gut tells me Floyd will win.

[fcastro1]

floyd wont know what hit him. Floyd is used to controlling the tempo of a fight and likes to cruise. Floyd is going to get overwhelmed. fast tempo with skill,speed, and power and floyd is gone.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Cut and Paste from different Threads I have posted....Keys for this mythical fight.

This was a cut and paste on a thread about why "Pacquiao and Roach using unknown sparring partners and why"...this is relevant to how I see this mythical Pacquiao-Mayweather fight.....too much to retype thus the cut and paste.

I think that most people doesn't realize is that NO ONE can actually be like Mayweather but what Roach is doing (and he is doing just great) is to work with specific attributes and applying his strategy with "quick fisted fighters"...

I think that his ways of teaching is really conducive to the way Pacquiao works, his psyche, his body...and not only Pacquiao believes him, he adores him. Pacquiao is a tireless worker and competitor and Roach can see that in him.

Having said that, the contrasting styles between the Pacquiao and Mayweather really pose for the classical fighters and "how to beat" both. This would mark as something really substantial and to the degree or magnitude of what is at stake in this level of boxing is astounding and mostly intriguing.

I don't care much for the drama but for purely the technicalities of both fighters' approach and style: The Pugilist boxer in Mayweather and the Pugilist Slugger in Pacquiao.

I couldn't believe how Pacquiao transformed from a relatively tactical fighter from the outside and now into a full blown slugger with a twist. He isn't just a rock-em-sock-em robot but with a strategy.

Having said that, Mayweather would still pose great challenges....namely, his jabs, footwork, shoulder rolls, and great defensive skills all capped by his squirrel-like quickness and timing.

My take is how Pacquiao can:

• cut Mayweather off the jab
• counter jabs
• assault Mayweather with his quick footworks

And I think Pacquiao would have to:

• use the right hook AND left cross/hook a lot inorder to counter off the jab
• use footwork and cutting angles outside of Mayweather's left jab
• lateral movements and move to Mayweahter's right cross
• the KILLER LEFT (the cross, the hook and the new famed HOOKERCUT)
• use jabs more

I think those are the keys. While with Mayweather, I think he would look for:

• Catch Pacquiao flatfooted with a jab AND double jabs
• Right cross
• lateral movements mainly to his LEFT and Pacquiao's RIGHT side
• Jab and clinch
• Work him tirelessly from the outside
• lunging left hooks

Having said those, this would be a real megafight, but I am also reserving myself towards a disappointing fight should one of them could actually dominate this fight. It isn't far fetch.

Either fighter can in one fight.

Here's to a great fight and hopefully entertain us to no limit! I am a Pacquiao fan obviously but I am also a Mayweather fan in terms of technicalities. I love Ali's style, the jab and the cross, the footworks.

This was posted from another thread by me when asked "how can Pacquiao dominate Mayweather"....too much to retype thus I have to cut and paste.

If Pacquiao can cut off the ring effectively and much more if he timed his IN-AND-OUT efficiently....then he can dominate Floyd.

But that remains to be seen. As a fan of the JAB and shuffling a la' ALI in Floyd while also being a Pacquiao fan, this will be THE fight of the century.

I am thinking that Pacquiao would have to be in his absolute best with flawless footwork to get in and hit Floyd with great leverage. In that light I can see Pacquiao struggling.

Until Pacquiao lands and hurts Floyd that would or could entice Floyd into a brawl that would obviously give Pacquiao the nod of the fight.

But Pacquiao is deliciously savvy and on the roll. If he can do both his lateral "Triangular" footwork and outside of Floyd's jab AND outside Floyd's Right Cross....then Pacquiao would eat him alive.

But that remains to be seen. Mayweather's quick and darting jabs can also neutralize Pacquiao then clinching.



This was posted on a thread long ago by me...on the issue of "how can Floyd avoid or deter Pacquiao's RIGHT HOOK"....hard to retype all of these and relevant to this thread.

The key, I think for FLOYD is to:

• LEFT JAB as a quick counter while moving laterally to his left. Meaning to "counter" while connecting first.

• Shoulder Roll while leaning to his right as the opponent's RIGHT HOOK is about to land on his left

• Beat the opponent to the punch with his right cross

• Leaning back (upper body)

• Left Guard up (instead of low)

• Bob and Weave to the left and under the Right Hook a la' Pacquiao's Duck and Roll to Hatton's wide left hook or jab

• Beating his opponent's left hook with a sharp and snappy left hook (inside) or a left uppercut...

I just listed or rather exhausted the possibilities of what Floyd CAN do. But in most probability, his well-timed left jab is the most effective while using the footwork and lateral movements to get away from Pacquiao's counters. But if Floyd lands his jabs well, then he either just follow it up with a RIGHT CROSS or just double up on his jab.

Landing those would, in most cases, nullify anyone's RIGHT HOOK or anyone's attack. I said, in most cases....thus a variation of the Left Jab and it's timing/angles are the key for unpredictability.

I think this would be the most that Freddie Roach would study on how Floyd throws his jab. Freddie Roach is looking for habits and patterns, such as:

• Does Floyd do anything such as tapping his gloves before jabbing.

Obviously he doesn't but that is just an example. Most of the time, Floyd would throw his left jab from a stance where his left arm is low on his midsection level (or throw the lunging left hook) while the right arm is always on guard to deter any punches to Floyd's right side in conjunction with his left shoulder (see shoulder roll).

Floyd's footwork is empeccable. The timing of his jabs are such that upon landing the jab, he recoils very quickly with his feet already on a transition towards his lateral left, right or backwards.

Therefore I see Freddie Roach studying the head-on LEFT JAB counters with Pacquiao's right hook to the head or body, right upper cut....or the usual Left Cross to the head, Left hook, left uppercut or the left hookercut (see Cotto going down on the 3th round).

From my own humble observation, I can see Pacquiao going on the outside of Floyd's left foot on a 45 degree before even Floyd throws his jab. This is a typical FMA (Filipino Martial art - Kali/escrima/arnis which I am practicing) positioning inorder to cut the opponent with a left lead...

I can see possibilities of Pacquiao throwing the right hook to Floyd's left rib or left side of the face or even a right uppercut. Then of course, the usual bread and butter weapon, HIS LEFT CROSS or LEFT UPPERCUT or LEFT HOOK. (either to the face or body).

Timing is obviously a crucial issue and so is the footwork involved with it. That is why I know Freddie Roach is very much concerned about teaching Pacquiao the way to "cut" Floyd outside inorder to be the aggressor and putting Floyd on the utmost defensive.

I can also see lateral movement to the left (bob and weaving) Floyd's RIGHT CROSS, then going with Pacquiao's left hook to the body and going upstairs with the left hook.

Many possibilities...

I see this fight as a salivating feast for an armchair boxer in me...while being a practitioner or student of the FMA and JKD...

Very good post......

Green K.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

floyd wont know what hit him. Floyd is used to controlling the tempo of a fight and likes to cruise. Floyd is going to get overwhelmed. fast tempo with skill,speed, and power and floyd is gone.

Yeah I agree because pure highly skilled boxers are a walk in the Park for Pacquiao.

[fcastro1]

Yeah I agree because pure highly skilled boxers are a walk in the Park for Pacquiao.

not if that highly skilled fighter throws 10 punches a round.