Comments Thread For: Clottey Breaks Silence: Talks Pacquiao, Cotto, Margarito

[jrosales13]

I mean, I think those are just excuses. Both had the biggest
fights of their lives and both got tight before it? Not buying it.
Maybe Pac and Floyd was just too much for Clottey and Mosley.
What bothers me is what Clottey said about "I just shut down"
I don't know if I buy that excuse. If he would have just been
like Pacquiao was too much then fine BUT "I shut down"?
Sounds like he threw the fight or he just was out matched.
Clottey had more chances than alot of guts and glory fighters
looking to get in the ring with the guys Clottey has fought
and each time he blew it by dropping the ball. I used to like
Clottey because to me he was a tough underdog but now
NOT really digging him as a fighter now.

What bothers me is what Shane said about "I was just too tight" Being a pro for how many years now and you just "too tight". I don't know if I buy that excuse. If he would of just been like Floyd was too much then fine BUT "too tight"? Sounds like Shane threw the fight.... or he was just overmatched.


Did you see what I did there?

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

The hell is going on in here? lol

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1:12 1:18 1:35 1:45 (who's backing up?) 2:03 2:11 2:21 2:29

seriously? Manny covering up after clottey hit him? He would back up then unleash combos..

You probably still won't see that Clottey was overmatched in this fight. Have a good one..

That link has a message saying that HBO video cannot be shown in my country because of copyright reasons.... but stop messing up the thread by posting me a link to something that you know I have already seen..... that's a bit silly isn't it ?

Clearly Clottey was over-matched..... that's the second silly thing you said in that very short post. Up your game bro, and answer my questions.

And, you have completely changed the subject..... why?

The question was NEVER about who backed up..... and you know it.

1.) I stated two very good reasons why Clottey's performance was bizarre

2.) you came back with "oh, he was getting counter-punched"

3.) I said BULL****, and gave you three very good reasons why

4.) Then I asked you for evidence to prove that Manny counter-punched Clottey, and you posted me this.....

" Manny covering up after clottey hit him? He would back up..... "

EXACTLY !! He did not counter-punch.

You actually just dis-proved that weak argument.

So that is a bull**** excuse as to why Clottey's punch output mysteriously disappeared AFTER ROUND TWO (which is not included in your video assessment for some reason?) even though I clearly stated that AFTER the two punch connect LATE in round two, Clottey was well-aware that he could hurt Manny and back him up.

You are starting to be a little dishonest now bro..... answer my questions please.

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Yup. This isn't for the pee-wees. On top of being the inferior fighter, Clottey changed trainers for no good reason, was lax in training and the camp was a sideshow. He was literally teaching his new pads guy...how to do the pads. How in the world did anyone think he could beat a fighter of Pacquiao's caliber at this level?

Nobody ever said that Clottey could have beaten Manny?

And nobody ever said that Clottey should have beaten Manny?

Unless you are commenting on a very early post maybe?

I thought that we were discussing why Clottey.....
1.) being well aware that he could hit Manny
2.) being well aware that he could hurt Manny
3.) being unfazed by Manny's power, according to his own admission
4.) being not bothered by all of these "counter-punches" that I never saw
..... decided to not actually do anything in that fight

I had you pegged for a reasonable poster, are you starting to be dishonest too now? Sharpen up dude, answer my questions

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Nobody ever said that Clottey could have beaten Manny?

And nobody ever said that Clottey should have beaten Manny?

Unless you are commenting on a very early post maybe?

I thought that we were discussing why Clottey.....
1.) being well aware that he could hit Manny
2.) being well aware that he could hurt Manny
3.) being unfazed by Manny's power, according to his own admission
4.) being not bothered by all of these "counter-punches" that I never saw
..... decided to not actually do anything in that fight

I had you pegged for a reasonable poster, are you starting to be dishonest too now? Sharpen up dude, answer my questions

What are you getting at here? I'm not even sure where you are going but my position on this fight was the same yesterday, today and forever. I don't care that Clottey could do 1-4 against Pacquaio. If you thought about it, you'd realize that he could do 1-4 against the other fighters he lost to as well. But the man has a fear of success. Quite frankly, I thought he was going to quit or find some way out of the fight. I guess he found a way to stay in it while still doing nothing.

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People must understand Clottey

Surely when he saw the stadium filled with Pac fans, he had mixed feeling of not wanting the fight anymore.

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What are you getting at here? I'm not even sure where you are going but my position on this fight was the same yesterday, today and forever. I don't care that Clottey could do 1-4 against Pacquaio. If you thought about it, you'd realize that he could do 1-4 against the other fighters he lost to as well. But the man has a fear of success. Quite frankly, I thought he was going to quit or find some way out of the fight. I guess he found a way to stay in it while still doing nothing.

OK, well..... that kinda explains why it appeared to me that you were attempting to justify Clottey's bizarre performance in that fight.

What are you getting at here? I'm not even sure where you are going but my position on this fight was the same yesterday, today and forever.

I was replying to your comment.....
"How in the world did anyone think he could beat a fighter of Pacquiao's caliber at this level?"

I just didn't recall hearing anyone say that in this thread.

I don't care that Clottey could do 1-4 against Pacquaio. If you thought about it, you'd realize that he could do 1-4 against the other fighters he lost to as well.

Oh, I would agree with that..... no problem.

And I think that maybe you could possibly even be right when you say that Clottey could go 1-4 with Manny - or indeed possibly even 1-1 if a rematch were considered with no external influences..... maybe.

But doesn't that make his performance in that fight even more inexplicable ?

But the man has a fear of success.

I don't think that is correct at all, and it is definitely the most ridiculous reason that I have heard used to justify his performance in that fight.

I am guessing that only Clottey's regular trainer would know what goes on inside Josh's head, and it does seem strange for Josh to have dropped him "for no good reason" heading into the biggest fight of his career.

Something about that fight stinks..... and it wasn't just Clottey's decision not to hurt Manny.

Quite frankly, I thought he was going to quit or find some way out of the fight.

The thought that Clottey would either cancel the fight, or quit during it.....
had NEVER crossed my mind. What were you thinking ?

I guess he found a way to stay in it while still doing nothing.

Which doesn't sound bizarre to you ?

Considering that.....

1.) the Mayweather/Pacquiao fight falls over

2.) Top Rank hastily line up Clottey..... in a promotional exercise to make Manny look good, and raise his stock heading into the next round of negotiations with Floyd

3.) a future Mayweather/Pacquiao fight could be worth up to $50,000,000 to Team Pac

4.) Clottey seemed to be strangely gentle with Manny leading up to, during, and after..... their public sparring session on March 13th

I will quote your last comment again.....

I guess he found a way to stay in it while still doing nothing.

[pasawayako]

at least clottey fight pac in the ring even though he is scared with pac unlike someone who is scared to even mention pacs name. hahahaha

[str8ballin]

Yes I read the article T.I., and then I called it bull****.

I don't give a **** what Clottey said, his excuses were a joke.

Clottey also said this.....
1.) I don't know how to explain
2.) I really don't understand what happened to me in that fight
3.) I just think it was one of those things
4.) I knew I could hurt him when I threw my power shots
5.) I didn't feel like his punches really hurt me

so much for that steroids accusation "makin him powerful and knockin out bigger guys than him" (Floyd Sr).

I believe De La Hoya said the same thing bout Pacquiao's punches.

He also said the same thing bout the punches and the weird angles.

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so much for that steroids accusation "makin him powerful and knockin out bigger guys than him" (Floyd Sr).

I believe De La Hoya said the same thing bout Pacquiao's punches.

He also said the same thing bout the punches and the weird angles.

Dont get too sensitive about Snr's comments

And he was most likely referring to the way Manny couldn't knock out Barrera or Marquez, nor even beat JMM convincingly, all at 130lb ..... and yet 18 months later he was knocking out Hatton and battering Cotto.

Anyways.....
back to the Clottey topic.....