Comments Thread For: Weighing 168 - BoxingScene’s Pound for Pound Top Ten

[crold1]

Cool

BTW, are you still going to do the top 100 ATG P4P list?

And, also do the top 25 ATG Jr/super divisions but with the original 8 format?

Yes, but I haven't decided how, or if, to include active fighters in a top 100. Waiting to see if THE fight happens as well in case I decide to do active.

Yes on the latter...eventually. I enjoyed the stat/number based smaller man lists but I see why they frustrated some. It was a fun experiment and a chance to include some names which otherwise might get overlooked but also produced some results that I didn't remotely agree with. Those lists are still just 2009 so I might wait a year or so.

I see what you mean but Shaw is already pushing for a Bute fight in Montreal. However there is that chance that moving down could just be a disaster and he gets his ass beat due to the weight. He said he could make it easy I don't believe him but we'll see.

Bute's body might be ready to rise by then so it might make more sense at 75 by the time it comes up anyways.

[jrosales13]

Yes, but I haven't decided how, or if, to include active fighters in a top 100. Waiting to see if THE fight happens as well in case I decide to do active.

Yes on the latter...eventually. I enjoyed the stat/number based smaller man lists but I see why they frustrated some. It was a fun experiment and a chance to include some names which otherwise might get overlooked but also produced some results that I didn't remotely agree with. Those lists are still just 2009 so I might wait a year or so.

Cool, on the top 100... lets just be real here. Tito>Oscar... Cliff i been a fan ever since you said Oscar was NOT an ATG. Because, I agree 100%... But, if you put Oscar>Tito you will be dead to me... Just know that.

[crold1]

Cool, on the top 100... lets just be real here. Tito>Oscar... Cliff i been a fan ever since you said Oscar was NOT an ATG. Because, I agree 100%... But, if you put Oscar>Tito you will be dead to me... Just know that.

Why would you assume either would make my top 100? I think when one starts laying out the names, the depth is remarkable. Heck, I think there are more than 100 guys who can be called some degree of ATG.

[jrosales13]

Why would you assume either would make my top 100? I think when one starts laying out the names, the depth is remarkable.

I agree the depth is remarkable... Just in case... that is why I mentioned...

I made a top 100 all time Oscar wasn't on it but Tito was ... But, then again I have Tito as the greatest PRican fighter of all time... What can I say the man got me hooked to the sport. unbiasedly I can have Ortiz, Gomez, Benitez ahead of him all time PRican fighter goes...

Just out of curiosity though would you rate Calzaghe higher than Tito?

I am just asking cuz I remember you saying that Joe was an ATG or something along those lines.

[crold1]

I agree the depth is remarkable... Just in case... that is why I mentioned...

I made a top 100 all time Oscar wasn't on it but Tito was ... But, then again I have Tito as the greatest PRican fighter of all time... What can I say the man got me hooked to the sport. unbiasedly I can have Ortiz, Gomez, Benitez ahead of him all time PRican fighter goes...

Just out of curiosity though would you rate Calzaghe higher than Tito?

I am just asking cuz I remember you saying that Joe was an ATG or something along those lines.

Tito was NOT the best PR fighter of all time but I see you note that deep down. And yes, I'd rate Calzaghe higher though I liked watching Tito more. Calzaghe is a fringe, if that, top 100 guy. Like I said...haven't done it yet so I'm not sure who is where.

[MARKBNLV]

Tito was NOT the best PR fighter of all time but I see you note that deep down. And yes, I'd rate Calzaghe higher though I liked watching Tito more. Calzaghe is a fringe, if that, top 100 guy. Like I said...haven't done it yet so I'm not sure who is where.

My problem with Calzaghe is he did not start fighting top opponents till late in his career,a questionable win over Hopkins,and beating a shot Roy got that man wy to much credit,Kessler is his best win and i do not think that is saying a whole lot.

[jrosales13]

Tito was NOT the best PR fighter of all time but I see you note that deep down. And yes, I'd rate Calzaghe higher though I liked watching Tito more. Calzaghe is a fringe, if that, top 100 guy. Like I said...haven't done it yet so I'm not sure who is where.

Dagger Cliff, Dagger

Let me go get Daggum real quick...

But, like you said you haven't done your list yet... So I will wait and then...

JK Cliff

[crold1]

My problem with Calzaghe is he did not start fighting top opponents till late in his career,a questionable win over Hopkins,and beating a shot Roy got that man wy to much credit,Kessler is his best win and i do not think that is saying a whole lot.

Who rationally gives credit for the Roy win? I didn't think the Hops win was questionable at all BTW; it became so more after the fact because a minority bitched real loud. I look at the full body of work and am impressed. Here's the take I have on Joe:

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=16920

[crold1]

Dagger Cliff, Dagger

Let me go get Daggum real quick...

But, like you said you haven't done your list yet... So I will wait and then...

JK Cliff

Even if I don't write it up yet, I'll have to re-rank the Jr. classes in order to make the top 100 so I can weigh division ratings accurately for all seventeen in compiling.

[Bhopreign]

I dont like the list.