Will floyd back out or be a man and stand up?

[ADP02]

After all that you ducked the question. You get in floyds shoes for a minute. You fight Carlos Baldomir, the lineal ww champion for more money than fighting margarito was going to pay you. who do you fight? IMO, You know good and ****ing well you'd fight baldomir.

The point is Floyd called him out and mosley said no because he felt floyd couldn't provide him the best payday. Then mosley called floyd out because floyd would bring mosley his biggest payday!

No ducking from me..... If you ask me, I would not have touched that Baldomir fight with a 10 foot pole. I called it BEFORE the fight that this was not going to be a good call for Floyd. I have stated this so so many times on this board. Floyd took the lesser of the 2 evils. That is, he picked Baldomir instead of the more riskier Margo.....

Floyd didn't even take Mosley's belt so, that lineal stuff is a joke when you state you are fighting someone named Baldomir to get it.

If you are talking about Floyd's legacy it is a no brainer. I would take Margo over Baldo any day.

If Floyd says he is the greatest he needs to fight the riskier opponents. All talk, no action is not the way to do it. At the end of his career, when you see Baldomir on that list (Floyd's resume), nobody and I mean nobody will say that was meaningful in any way.

[The Big Dunn]

No ducking from me..... If you ask me, I would not have touched that Baldomir fight with a 10 foot pole. I called it BEFORE the fight that this was not going to be a good call for Floyd. I have stated this so so many times on this board. Floyd took the lesser of the 2 evils. That is, he picked Baldomir instead of the more riskier Margo.....

Floyd didn't even take Mosley's belt so, that lineal stuff is a joke when you state you are fighting someone named Baldomir to get it.

If you are talking about Floyd's legacy it is a no brainer. I would take Margo over Baldo any day.

If Floyd says he is the greatest he needs to fight the riskier opponents. All talk, no action is not the way to do it. At the end of his career, when you see Baldomir on that list (Floyd's resume), nobody and I mean nobody will say that was meaningful in any way.

So instead of attempting to win the ring and lineal ww title for more money you'd fight a guy 1 fight removed from losing to daniel santos? IMO,You are a ****ing liar!

Mosley was the WBA champ, a title floyd relinquished years ago. he didn't want to pay a $250k sanctioning fee. would you pay that? never mind! Legacy? So manny should have fought other lw rather than david diaz? Are you serious?

Again review his whole career objectively. You are essentially saying, Corley and Brussels make his career illegitimate.

[tacoboxer]

....So Roach thought that Cotto was the better match than Mosley. Also, while you stated it, you kind of brushed it off when you made your conclusion ..... you need to take all of Roach's statement not only the part you like. Roach thought the Cotto fight would bring in more money.

By the way, this is a Cotto that beat Mosley.

fair argument... logical though process... cant disagree with your opinion....

I tend to think for Roach the cotto / mosley fight played little into the decision as that fight was almost 2yrs prior (nov of 2007)

Freddie did what any trusted friend and advisor would do.... (what Mayweather would have surely done...)

Roach advised the path of least resistance and the anticipated bigger payday.

1-2009 - Mosley looked too strong against a strong full size welter Margarito....
6-2009 - Cotto looked not as strong against a strong full size welter Clottey.... (having been roughed up by Margo 11-1/2 months earlier)
8-2009 - Roach states he prefers Pac fights Cotto (not because he's better than Mosley... he clearly stated his opinion about that in the video) but because of a better risk / reward...

I have no problem with any of what Roach or Pac said or did.... they are on a great run and I hope for them it continues (save the fight with Floyd...)

My problem is with Pac fans not recognizing the guy that knows pac best and has his interest at heart stated he didn't want anything to do with the fighter Floyd dominated only 9 mos later.

What am I missing?

[tacoboxer]

Mosley hadn't fought in 1.5 years and was turning 39. At this point, Floyd and the experts realized that we would not be seeing a prime Mosley but an older more rusty version of Mosley. While it would be hard to predict exactly which Mosley was going to show up BUT I knew as I stated BEFORE the fight that the RISK would be less at this point for Floyd.

That is the key word in all of this. RISK...... Floyd critics would say that it was prime for Floyd to fight a not so prime Mosley .....

Lets keep facts straight.... no fudging the numbers here....

Mosley is 38.... he wont turn 39 until later this fall (still no spring chicken I'll give you that..... but tell that to Margarito)

Mosley fought Margarito Jan 24 2009
Mosley fought Mayweather May 5 2010

Mosley's layoff was a little over 1yr & 3mos ...... and it wasnt like mosley wasn't staying busy.... he had the Berto fight he was preparing for....

Here is my point again about pac fans wanting it both ways... was he old, he's lost speed, he's overtrained, his layoff was too long... (at what point does personal accountability come into play..... I mean was it mayweathers fault Baldomir became the lineal champ because Judah didnt come prepeared? was it mayweathers fault that judah was such a head case when Floyd gave him the chance to redeem himself after losing to Baldo.... is it mayweathers fault Roach chose the path of least resistance in fighting Cotto ultimately leaving the chips to fall in such a way that Mayweather steps into the ring a mere 5 mos after Pac could have faced the same guy?)

Floyd fought an old rusty overtrained Mosley..... thats all I hear Pac Fans say...( and you've seen all my posts stating that Pac and handlers chose to fight a battle worn Cotto so that victory shouldn't count as much.... I must have posted hundreds of them right..... I don't do that crap....) Pac deserves credit for his body of work.... don't waste your time trying to take away from Floyds.

Like I've said before give credit where its due... and stop making excuses about the other guy.. because if Pac gets his wish and his worse nightmare becomes a reality.............. what will the excuse be then?

[ADP02]

So instead of attempting to win the ring and lineal ww title for more money you'd fight a guy 1 fight removed from losing to daniel santos? IMO,You are a ****ing liar!

Mosley was the WBA champ, a title floyd relinquished years ago. he didn't want to pay a $250k sanctioning fee. would you pay that? never mind! Legacy? So manny should have fought other lw rather than david diaz? Are you serious?

Again review his whole career objectively. You are essentially saying, Corley and Brussels make his career illegitimate.

You are all over the place with your response.

I speak of legacy, you speak of something entirely different. Take a step back and think about it. Do you think that beating Baldomir did something for Floyd's career?

I flipped when I heard Floyd was fighting Baldomir ...... It was a waste of time. You are probably one of the very few people who would try to defend the Baldomir fight. Yes, he did have a title (so did Margo), but that didn't mean much in my point of view. How's this, if Baldmir was all that then Floyd would have faced him BEFORE or INSTEAD of facing Zab since Baldomir beat Zab ....

By the way, Margo fought Daniel Santos twice and both times the fights were stopped by head butts ..... and that one you talk about was fought at a higher weight division ..... not at welterweight.

[ADP02]

Lets keep facts straight.... no fudging the numbers here....

Mosley is 38.... he wont turn 39 until later this fall (still no spring chicken I'll give you that..... but tell that to Margarito)

Mosley fought Margarito Jan 24 2009
Mosley fought Mayweather May 5 2010

Mosley's layoff was a little over 1yr & 3mos ...... and it wasnt like mosley wasn't staying busy.... he had the Berto fight he was preparing for....

Here is my point again about pac fans wanting it both ways... was he old, he's lost speed, he's overtrained, his layoff was too long... (at what point does personal accountability come into play..... I mean was it mayweathers fault Baldomir became the lineal champ because Judah didnt come prepeared? was it mayweathers fault that judah was such a head case when Floyd gave him the chance to redeem himself after losing to Baldo.... is it mayweathers fault Roach chose the path of least resistance in fighting Cotto ultimately leaving the chips to fall in such a way that Mayweather steps into the ring a mere 5 mos after Pac could have faced the same guy?)

Floyd fought an old rusty overtrained Mosley..... thats all I hear Pac Fans say...( and you've seen all my posts stating that Pac and handlers chose to fight a battle worn Cotto so that victory shouldn't count as much.... I must have posted hundreds of them right..... I don't do that crap....) Pac deserves credit for his body of work.... don't waste your time trying to take away from Floyds.

Like I've said before give credit where its due... and stop making excuses about the other guy.. because if Pac gets his wish and his worse nightmare becomes a reality.............. what will the excuse be then?

Cotto was Manny's second fight at WW. First guy was Oscar. Every time Manny fought at WW they thought it was a big RISK. ......

Floyd fought Mosley who was almost 39 (May = fight, BDay = September) and was rusty.... when you don't fight after that long it's hard for anybody but to try to do it at 39 and against Floyd is asking too much from Mosley. Also, it clearly showed that Mosley didn't fight like the younger primed Mosley. So the risk factor is not high and most critics agreed since they favored Floyd.

If Floyd is the greatest, as he has said, he needs to fight the riskier opponents.

You get my point now?

[tacoboxer]

I speak of legacy......... Do you think that beating Baldomir did something for Floyd's career?.......... It was a waste of time. You are probably one of the very few people who would try to defend the Baldomir fight.

Couldn't disagree more.... which of Pac's lineal titles would Pac be willing to give up..... how about the 1st one ...... he held it for less than 10 months before being beaten by a guy who also lost it 10 months later. Surely that title means very little to Pac and his fans......

WHAT ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!

In the same way Pac fans are toting Pac's accolades (and Pac is surely proud of ALL his accomplishments as well he should be) There was a time when titles had meaning for Floyd (they still may if he has a chance to fight for 160lb strap.... same way Pac has interest in a 154lb title if he can get his hands on it)

The titles only mean something if they haven't been attained yet.... Baldos Lineal Title has more historical significance than Margo's WBO strap and Floyd hadn't attained the lineal at welter yet (he would have willingly fought Judah for it but Zab couldn't keep focus.... again not Floyds fault).

Floyd and Pac care about titles in as much as they have historical significance on their respective legacies. Both will pay for them and fight for them if it adds to their legacy.

How many times do I have to repeat myself.... stop trying to take away from Floyd what he has earned.... given the opportunity Freddie and Pac would do the same.

[tacoboxer]

If Floyd is the greatest, as he has said, he needs to fight the riskier opponents.

You get my point now?

Forget what Floyd says...... he talks more **** than a plumber... We are the ones having the discussion....Focus on what I am saying....
Did you ever hear me say Floyd is the greatest?
Since when did hear me making that argument?

(I wont even repeat how many times I've heard Pac fans initiate the "All Time Great" discussion...... 7 titles this, fighter of the year that, fighter of the decade, and on and on and on)

Your point is that Floyd should fight riskier fights..... giving Floyd a hard time for not fighting Marg for a lame WBO strap when he could add a much more valuable lineal strap (again which lineal strap should Pac give up..... I think its unreasonable to ask him to do so....... and yet you so blatantly disregard Floyd wanting to acquire one....... )

Why haven't you admitted that Floyd dominated a guy that Pac and Roach admitted was too risky because the decided to fight the less risky of the two? I mean all the evidence is there but you cant bring yourself to admit it... You want to focus on Floyd taking more risk..... but you don't want to admit that both take less risk and maximize return..

Why is asking you to do that too much?

[ralph22]

His team have agreed the terms including testing which means everything he wanted has been given a thumbs up by manny, its clear to everyone manny wants the fight but what about floyd?

will pacSteroid be a man and fight someone undeafeted not damage not drain not pasttheir prime and show that he is a clean athlete when we know he is a PEDUSER

[ADP02]

Couldn't disagree more.... which of Pac's lineal titles would Pac be willing to give up..... how about the 1st one ...... he held it for less than 10 months before being beaten by a guy who also lost it 10 months later. Surely that title means very little to Pac and his fans......

WHAT ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!

In the same way Pac fans are toting Pac's accolades (and Pac is surely proud of ALL his accomplishments as well he should be) There was a time when titles had meaning for Floyd (they still may if he has a chance to fight for 160lb strap.... same way Pac has interest in a 154lb title if he can get his hands on it)

The titles only mean something if they haven't been attained yet.... Baldos Lineal Title has more historical significance than Margo's WBO strap and Floyd hadn't attained the lineal at welter yet (he would have willingly fought Judah for it but Zab couldn't keep focus.... again not Floyds fault).

Floyd and Pac care about titles in as much as they have historical significance on their respective legacies. Both will pay for them and fight for them if it adds to their legacy.

How many times do I have to repeat myself.... stop trying to take away from Floyd what he has earned.... given the opportunity Freddie and Pac would do the same.

Yes, a title is great to have but again you are not understanding my point.

Baldomir had one good year but it was due to fighting a lacklustre Zab and a ready to retire Gatti ......

Floyd said he is the greatest so he would eventually have gotten that title. Right? He has lived in this division for a good 5 -6 years now.

Beating up a Baldomir does NOTHING for your resume. Beating up Margo would have. Beating up Cotto would have. Beating up a primer Mosley would have. Beating up a Williams .... Beating a Manny .....

Is a title important? I can't say it's meaningless because it's great to get one but I would think it's who they fought to get those titles that are more important or who you defended to keep them.


Example: Larry Holmes had no respect for the longest time because he fought in an era that had no Ali, Frazier, Foreman,...... plus he followed Ali's era. Holmes was THE HW CHAMP of the world for many years..... his longevity brought him respect but there was always that question .... Getting that title is great for his legacy but if he had fought a prime Ali, Foreman or Tyson when Holmes was prime would accentuate that legacy ten folds.

So who you fight is so so important. You need to take all the opportunities that you can get to show that you are the greatest. Again, a title is great but there are a lot of people who had titles but got less respect due to who they faced.