rocco marcigiano=how to make it the hard way

[infamous larryx]

quit repeating the same **** over and over again you idiot.

lack of competition doesn't add to one's resume.

roy jones had no one to fight at 175 , you see how much it hurt his legacy in the end.

so im an idiot now tua cause you have no ryhmn or reason for your hate???you cant even answer the question..he fought everyone..defended his title and retired undefeated......

[TheMagicMan]

who should he have fought and dint fight??dont worry ill wait

No one is saying he ducked anyone or that he should have done anything differently. Im a huge fan of his. I think he is an all time great and is one of the GOAT in the HW division due to his dominance and his inability to allow himself to be beat. However, I think Joe Calzaghe would UD Marciano. I think Vital or Wlad would cause serious injury to him and might kill him. I think that he would probably lose to everyone in the Super 6. To me I watch these old fighters, including Ali/Foreman/Frazier/Louis etc..and all I see are guys too slow and too unathletic to compete. Thats not their fault, we know so much more now about training, conditioning, nutrition etc...Kids are healthier now so they get bigger and boxing is global now. Its a totally different world now. Again, look at athletes in measurable sports from the 50's and 60's, sports like track/field/swimming. Do any still have quantifiable records standing? no? But yet you tell someone this stuff and they act like you pushed their grandpa down the stairs. Boxing has changed, when people try to compare people from different eras I laugh. You think that Kareem would have been so dominant for UCLA if he was going against a 22 year old Dwight Howard? Its a totally different world now. Take John Havlicek and put him against Pau Gasol..........game over.

[El Protagonista]

the weight advantage doesnt matter cause the heavy weight division is unlimited..the klit bros always have huge height and weight advantages.joe louis fought and almostlost to the lightheavy weight champ..lennox had height and weight advantages..its always been like that thru out history

I know this but what would you say are Charles' and Moore's prime divisions? HW or LHW?

[infamous larryx]

I know this but what would you say are Charles' and Moore's prime divisions? HW or LHW?

im not arguing that fact..just saying 20 pounds isnt a big gap when talking about heavyeights

[Left Hook Tua]

so im an idiot now tua cause you have no ryhmn or reason for your hate???you cant even answer the question..he fought everyone..defended his title and retired undefeated......

did i say he ducked anyone? did i say he didn't defend his title? did i say he wasn't undefeated?

valero didn't duck anyone. he defended his belt. he was undefeated.

is he an atg?

no. why because it's all about who you fight and when you fought them.

beating joe louis is a great win. a 38 year old past it joe louis? not so much. still a good win but not that great.

[Spray_resistant]

No one is saying he ducked anyone or that he should have done anything differently. Im a huge fan of his. I think he is an all time great and is one of the GOAT in the HW division due to his dominance and his inability to allow himself to be beat. However, I think Joe Calzaghe would UD Marciano. I think Vital or Wlad would cause serious injury to him and might kill him. I think that he would probably lose to everyone in the Super 6. To me I watch these old fighters, including Ali/Foreman/Frazier/Louis etc..and all I see are guys too slow and too unathletic to compete. Thats not their fault, we know so much more now about training, conditioning, nutrition etc...Kids are healthier now so they get bigger and boxing is global now. Its a totally different world now. Again, look at athletes in measurable sports from the 50's and 60's, sports like track/field/swimming. Do any still have quantifiable records standing? no? But yet you tell someone this stuff and they act like you pushed their grandpa down the stairs. Boxing has changed, when people try to compare people from different eras I laugh. You think that Kareem would have been so dominant for UCLA if he was going against a 22 year old Dwight Howard? Its a totally different world now. Take John Havlicek and put him against Pau Gasol..........game over.

Exactly, you can't compare athletes from today and athletes from the past, they are just so much better in all aspects now for a variety of reasons.

[infamous larryx]

did i say he ducked anyone? did i say he didn't defend his title? did i say he wasn't undefeated?

valero didn't duck anyone. he defended his belt. he was undefeated.

is he an atg?

no. why because it's all about who you fight and when you fought them.

beating joe louis is a great win. a 38 year old past it joe louis? not so much. still a good win but not that great.

where in this thread did i mention louis??i str8 up excluded him for obvious reasons if you read mypost you'd see that

[El Protagonista]

im not arguing that fact..just saying 20 pounds isnt a big gap when talking about heavyeights

It is when you're talking about guys who's best wins don't come in that division. Imagine if Roy Jones Jr stayed at HW and lost to Lennox Lewis. How much credit would you have given Lewis?

[infamous larryx]

and never did i compare rocco to any athlete today..ya'll took this thread and ran with it...

[infamous larryx]

It is when you're talking about guys who's best wins don't come in that division. Imagine if Roy Jones Jr stayed at HW and lost to Lennox Lewis. How much credit would you have given Lewis?

roy started at 154 man..bad comparism