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  • savorduhflavor
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    A Lesson About Independent PPV's

    Okay, this is for ******s that ***** and ***** about fights that they don't think are PPV worthy being on independent PPV's.

    When big time promoters are putting on fights with guys that have relatively high quotes but aren't network favorites, putting them on independent PPV's ARE THE ONLY WAY THOSE BOUTS WOULD BE TELEVISED.

    Most recent example: Shane Mosley vs. Sergio Mora.

    You think Schaefer wants to risk money out of GBP's own pocket to put on their own PPV? Of course they don't. But HBO doesn't view the fight as a must have, and Shane Mosley certainly has a pretty high quote. So it's impossible to do the fight on HBO.

    Go to Showtime, or ESPN you say? Their budgets aren't big enough to pay for a fight like that, because Mosley would be demanding a million, perhaps more, just for him. And he deserves to after what he's given to the sport.

    So instead of bitching about "Oh how could Mosley be on PPV after that loss" blah blah, you should be grateful that the opportunity to see the fight exists because if GBP decided to not risk their own money on putting on their own PPV, watching the fight wouldn't be an option.

    Bob Arum's Latin Fury's and Pinoy Power's and all of his independent PPV's are a true service to the sport. As we know, the networks aren't overly fond of the lower weights. If Bob Arum didn't risk his own company's money several times a year to put on those PPV's, how often do you think we'd get to see Ivan Calderon fight? Or Fernando Montiel....Humberto Soto, Nonito Donaire? Guys we as true fans WANT to see....but if it wasn't for these PPV's that all of you ***** about, we wouldn't see them AT ALL.


    Moral of the story: Stop bitching about PPV's, it's not like these promoters want to put on their own PPV's, they do it so WE as fans have the option to see these fights because the alternative is not seeing them at all.

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  • DC Fight Fan
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    You are 1000% correct. It is pure economics!

    Give me a 5000 person paid live gate at an average ticket price of 50 bucks. That is $250,000. W/o TV or PPV you would be lucky to get another 20 grand in sponsors. So call it 270 grand.....

    Main Event(Mosely 150 grand Mora 50 grand) 200,000
    4 bout undercard 25,000
    Venue Rent 20,000
    Insurance 2,000
    Commission Fees and Taxes 20,000
    Ring Rental 4,000
    Marketing 10,000
    Lighting 5,000

    That alone is 286,000 and i am leaving out multiple lesser expenses that add up as well. I was also very conservative on the purses for both the main and the undercard. So you tell me how a promoter can make it putting on big names with no TV revenue.

    One thing they could do is sell the site to a casino, but in the above scenario it would have to be for at lease 250 grand just to cover the purse expenses. What casino would pay a 250 grand site fee with no TV exposure? Exactly!

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    • pistol whip
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      #3
      Originally posted by DC Fight Fan
      Main Event(Mosely 150 grand Mora 50 grand) 200,000
      !

      Mosely isn't even gonna pick up the phone for 150,000$ LOL!

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        #4
        Originally posted by pistol whip
        Mosely isn't even gonna pick up the phone for 150,000$ LOL!
        Maybe not 150 but it wouldn't be what you expect it would be. Mosely knows there is not a big pay day out there for him unless he gets a couple quality wins under his belt. If he does that quickly, he may think he could be a possible Pac opponent or a possible rematch with Cotto, Margo, etc.....

        You need to understand how the business works. There is essentially no middle class in boxing. Mosely knows this and understands that a couple hundred grand to fight a feather fisted Latin Snake with a built record is a steal.

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        • street bully
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          #5
          Mosley shouldn't even be fighting Mora.

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          • savorduhflavor
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            Originally posted by DC Fight Fan
            Maybe not 150 but it wouldn't be what you expect it would be. Mosely knows there is not a big pay day out there for him unless he gets a couple quality wins under his belt. If he does that quickly, he may think he could be a possible Pac opponent or a possible rematch with Cotto, Margo, etc.....

            You need to understand how the business works. There is essentially no middle class in boxing. Mosely knows this and understands that a couple hundred grand to fight a feather fisted Latin Snake with a built record is a steal.
            Mosley will make over a million against Mora. No doubt about it.

            He's coming off being part of an event that generated 1.4 million PPV buys.

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              #7
              Originally posted by savorduhflavor
              Mosley will make over a million against Mora. No doubt about it.

              He's coming off being part of an event that generated 1.4 million PPV buys.
              he's giving you guys an example of what is costs to run a major show

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              • DC Fight Fan
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                #8
                Originally posted by savorduhflavor
                Mosley will make over a million against Mora. No doubt about it.

                He's coming off being part of an event that generated 1.4 million PPV buys.
                Sorry my friend. I will bet my house, car and future earnings that Mosley gets nowhere near 1 million for a GBP funded PPV to fight Mora.

                Now it is possible that he will get 250,000 plus a percentage of all PPV buys after a break even number. For instance..to do the PPV you would be adding roughly 150 grand in production and marketing expenses. So the fight would be in the neighborhood of 500,000 break even.

                How many PPV buys would you have to sell to cover 300,000 shortfall assuming the live gate does 200,000.

                At 29.95 per PPV and On-Demand taking $15 per off the top that leaves GBP having to sell 20,000 PPV's to break even. At that point I can see them cutting in Mosely at $2 per PPV possibly. So if it does 100,000 buys mosely would be due another 160 grand. How many buys do you think it would do?

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                  Originally posted by DC Fight Fan
                  Sorry my friend. I will bet my house, car and future earnings that Mosley gets nowhere near 1 million for a GBP funded PPV to fight Mora.

                  Now it is possible that he will get 250,000 plus a percentage of all PPV buys after a break even number. For instance..to do the PPV you would be adding roughly 150 grand in production and marketing expenses. So the fight would be in the neighborhood of 500,000 break even.

                  How many PPV buys would you have to sell to cover 300,000 shortfall assuming the live gate does 200,000.

                  At 29.95 per PPV and On-Demand taking $15 per off the top that leaves GBP having to sell 20,000 PPV's to break even. At that point I can see them cutting in Mosely at $2 per PPV possibly. So if it does 100,000 buys mosely would be due another 160 grand. How many buys do you think it would do?
                  You seem to know more than I do about the intricate specifics on them putting on the show, but what I do know is that Cotto made well over a million when he fought Michael Jennings on a top rank PPV. Granted that fight did 225k buys, but still.

                  I think if this ppv did 100k buys that'd be very good.

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                  • savorduhflavor
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Eaner0919
                    he's giving you guys an example of what is costs to run a major show
                    I know, but he's legit saying Mosley would make under 500k for this fight. I can't see that.

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