The only chance i see Pacquaio having against Mayweather is..............

[LeeBaby]

I don't think he would stop Pac, Marquez hit Pac with a sh** load of big punches and Pac took them fine, and it seems obvious to me at this point Mayweather doesn't hit that hard, and doesn't hit enough for how hard he does hit.

And if Mayweather opens up because Pacquiao is pressing, that plays into Pacquiao's hands I would think.

Mayweather hits harder then any WW in the division. The thing is Mayweather doesnt throw Knock out punching every punch like hatton, mosley, or pac. He just beats your ass & if the ko comes it comes. Pac hasnt been hit with a floyd punch yet. U can say he aint hitting hard but for some reason when Floyd starts landing "they start thinking about survival"..Floyd could've ko zab had the low blow not came, he buckled oscar in the 5th round, he ko hatton, they should;ve stopped the marquez and mosley fight...Dont think Floyd doesnt have power. I tell u one thing...Floyd will go for the ko if he fights Pac!

[Versatility]

However he countered those guys when they pressed!! him, is he capable of countering off the front foot?

Marquez got nailed in the second fight because he felt he got jobbed in the first fight and so thought he needed to fight more aggressively imo.


Its noticeable that Cotto got countered when he decided to take it to Manny and become overly aggressive. Mayweather is the most patient fighter outside of Hopkins, plus he has a reach advantage.

this...when marquez got knocked down he realised he needed to be smart, marquez changed his style to more aggresive but he fought a calculated fight against pacquiao in the second fight.

using cotto is a ****** example because everyone knows cotto, delahoya and barrera are natural lefties who fight orthodox, their best punches are either left hook or left jab, marquez and morales are orthodox fighters who have decent straight right hands, but marquez is open to counters because of his combinations and recently aggresive style of looking for the knockout.

also like mentioned the reach...marquez and cotto both have a reach of 67" and hatton had a reach of 65"

[bojangles1987]

Mayweather hits harder then any WW in the division. The thing is Mayweather doesnt throw Knock out punching every punch like hatton, mosley, or pac. He just beats your ass & if the ko comes it comes. Pac hasnt been hit with a floyd punch yet. U can say he aint hitting hard but for some reason when Floyd starts landing "they start thinking about survival"..Floyd could've ko zab had the low blow not came, he buckled oscar in the 5th round, he ko hatton, they should;ve stopped the marquez and mosley fight...Dont think Floyd doesnt have power. I tell u one thing...Floyd will go for the ko if he fights Pac!

Yeah, not paying attention to someone who thinks Floyd hits harder than any other welterweight.

[Dynamite Kid]

His strength is very underrated. He took the fight to Zab, took the fight to Hatton, took the fight to Shane. Going backwards against a lefty is suicide. He'll take the fight to manny.

Yes.

Regardinging that the only positive for Manny is that Floyd does start tight/nervous and allows Manny to back him up momentarily for the first few rounds where by he looks to settle down, then! decides to start backing Manny up as he starts to get to grips with his timing, if he starts holding his feet early and looking to back Manny up and succeeds, long night for Manny.

[SplitSecond]

If he does that it could be big!! trouble for Manny, JMM committed himself to his punches when he came foward, thats why he got nailed, you have to be in mid range to be able to counter someone, Floyd does not need to commit himself if he comes foward, he has a reach advantage, he starts backing Manny up he could be in big trouble, particularly as he wont look to put it on Pac but control and dictate distance with his extra reach and patience, he will manoeuvre Manny around the ring if he starts doing that.


Im not convinced by Mayweather's punching power either, but because of Pac's, at times, wrecklessness, and negate for defense at times, i can see Mayweather catching him with a shot he might not see, Mayweather is a sneaky puncher more so than a hard puncher imo.

now that you mention sneaky punch
one think i've noticed about floyd is he gets caught by fighters that are fighting low, mosley, corley's punches that hurt him, marquez's right hand counter

the guys went low and came up with the punches, and floyd will usually attempt hooking/jabbing down at the head and you can come over with a right(or left when floyd is using his own left as a target tag)

and pacquiao enters low, while bobbing with his guard ala mike tyson

when floyd comes foward, he is square, standing upright, both hands up and will let a fighter get inside if he wants

[killacash]

Yeah, not paying attention to someone who thinks Floyd hits harder than any other welterweight.

lol right. people these days

[IMDAZED]

Yes.

Regardinging that the only positive for Manny is that Floyd does start tight/nervous and allows Manny to back him up momentarily for the first few rounds where by he looks to settle down, then! decides to start backing Manny up as he starts to get to grips with his timing, if he starts holding his feet early and looking to back Manny up and succeeds, long night for Manny.

Yup. Manny's going to cause Floyd problems but, for all his skills, he's sort of repetitive. If he's unable to do damage early, he'll be in trouble late. If Clottey was able to do that to his grill barely throwing punches, he's going to look a mess against Floyd. This is going to be a war.

[Dynamite Kid]

That's where Floyd will want the fight to be. And by coming forward, he will force Manny to move backwards while flurrying - in other words, he will seek to wear him out. I'm pretty sure he'll use that high guard and fire lead rights like Clottey did, except a lot more of them. Should be very interesting in rounds 6-9.

Thats also where Mayweather will have to be careful imo, when Mayweather shells up like that he will obscure his own vision, and when Manny attacks/jumps in on you, he does not stay on the line, he steps off and fires from other angles as he did with Cotto.

[Dynamite Kid]

Yup. Manny's going to cause Floyd problems but, for all his skills, he's sort of repetitive. If he's unable to do damage early, he'll be in trouble late. If Clottey was able to do that to his grill barely throwing punches, he's going to look a mess against Floyd. This is going to be a war.

Agreed. The reason his defense is so poor when going backward is because he has no glove defense, he only uses his legs, thats not enough against a guy with a reach advantage who is smarter, more skilled.

[Versatility]

I don't think he would stop Pac, Marquez hit Pac with a sh** load of big punches and Pac took them fine, and it seems obvious to me at this point Mayweather doesn't hit that hard, and doesn't hit enough for how hard he does hit.

And if Mayweather opens up because Pacquiao is pressing, that plays into Pacquiao's hands I would think.

Wait a minute....Marquez hits harder than Mayweather? :