If Floyd really believes Manny is using PEDS ....

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I don't Sr. was not the first nor the only one to say it. But still that's getting away from the point, We were not speaking on Sr. or anyone else...

That's what I meant when I said Floyd and company ..... like you said, they all said it but at various degrees. His dad has been the most vocal about it.

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my bad .................................................. .

[Kingstan315]

That's what I meant when I said Floyd and company ..... like you said, they all said it but at various degrees. His dad has been the most vocal about it.

That may be but if Pac had agreed to testing of some sort at negotiations, nobody would have paid Sr. any attention... Do you agree???

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That may be but if Pac had agreed to testing of some sort at negotiations, nobody would have paid Sr. any attention... Do you agree???

the worst Part was letting it get into the media without resolving it.

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That may be but if Pac had agreed to testing of some sort at negotiations, nobody would have paid Sr. any attention... Do you agree???

Manny did agree to some sort of testing. Urine was random too ..... unfortunately they were too far apart in the negotiations.......

once Floyd put this on the table, people began discussing this..... not much if any before

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Manny did agree to some sort of testing. Urine was random too ..... unfortunately they were too far apart in the negotiations.......

once Floyd put this on the table, people began discussing this..... not much if any before

I Read article with Paulie Magg and Citron were saying it back in 09'. Still nobody paid real attention till taks broke off in Dec...

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Put Ali in Mayweather's shoes, he would say:

"Good, I hope Pacquiao is on steroids, because if he aint, ill KO him in 1 round!"

That's why Ali was Ali..... could you ever imagine Mayweather against an opponent like Foreman? At that time, Foreman was the most feared fighter in boxing. Foreman was big and had a heavy punch and was undefeated. Ali was a heavy underdog since Foreman destroyed Frazier and Norton, who both gave Ali problems (losses). Yet, Ali said no problem, lets go for it.

There is no fighter like that for Mayweather yet he has been so cautious with who he picks ..... even against Manny, who is the smaller guy.

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I Read article with Paulie Magg and Citron were saying it back in 09'. Still nobody paid real attention till taks broke off in Dec...

They did it all wrong back then in the negotiations. If they agreed to something and told the media, we BOTH want to show the world that we are BOTH clean .....

but it was an accusation against Manny. That brought this into the wrong direction. Now it's about if Manny is on PEDs.

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Nice try buddy..... there are degrees of belief.

If we knew that Manny was once tested positive for PEDs then BOTH sides of his fan base would be in agreement, that he should take the tests at the very least. Or if it's a given that Manny won only due to PEDs, not have this fight at all.

That is not the case here. Manny's never been tested. Manny's fans don't believe. Floyd and company are CONVINCED that Manny is on PEDs.

What is happening here is that Floyd's camp have all admitted that they are CONVINCED that the only way that Manny could have done what he did is by using PEDs. When you hear them talk, they don't even have a doubt about it. They say it's OBVIOUSLY due to PEDs.

They state it as if Manny on PEDs is the ONLY POSSIBILITY. The ONLY OPTION. No other way he could have won the way he did.

Same goes with many of Floyd's fans now.... they have written so many posts that state Manny is on something
- or else why is he hiding from being randomly tested.
- Only way he can go from 106lbs to 147 and do what he did.
- The only way a guy can KO guys now but not his early years.
- How else can one beat guys bigger than him
- That is why he looks like that (eg. big head .... )

So you can say it's just a belief of theirs .... but it's not one of those 50/50 beliefs where there is some uncertainty in them. They are 100% CONVINCED......... possibly the best analogy would be those who believe strongly in God. They will tell you that their belief is a fact and they are convinced of it.

That's where my question comes in. For those of you who are so convinced that Manny is on PEDs then why demand this fight?

I think it's a fair question.

Wrong on many levels, no sense in responding really.

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Wrong on many levels, no sense in responding really.

I understand ... you just don't know how to answer, so you answer it the way you do....