6 years ago the fights that the boxing world were asking Mayweather to take were....

[Danny Gunz]

I stopped reading right there.

Read my whole post because you called me a liar, yet everything you said was just as much as a lie.

[ADP02]

i know-lol---i don't mind going int great detail with my posts----i have done so, so many times----it's funny how floyd hurt his hands fighting zab and tata, fought corley and gatti in atlantic city, which is in a state, that those numbing agents are illegal in, and i know, i live in new jersey----he brings up a video from 2002, which i saw on tv, and tries to argue his point----but, think about this though---if floyd admitted to using numbing agents the day of the fight, why in God's name was he not suspended, banned, fined, ect? i bet he can't answer this logically-----

Floyd did admit to taking numbing drugs during training and fight night. Why they didn't probe on this further is not for me to answer .....

Still, the point is that Floyd claims that Manny should be tested because no fighter should have an advantage that he would not have without the drugs. He said, it's only fair ..... yet, this does not apply to when it benefits him.

[ADP02]

LOL. This is a ridiculous post.

This is how you respond? lol!!!

[QADASHBANYAH1]

Planning to fight Judah but he lost ..... he also planned to fight Margo, Manny but he managed to say no for whatever reason so to say no, at the time, against Judah would have been the best route until Judah shapes up.
When you fight the loser of the fight then what does that say? Did you even see how bad Judah looked against Baldo? Floyd must have been laughing ...... Same with Mitchel vs Kostya....... Floyd fought again the loser ....

Who wanted the Baldo fight instead of Margo? Only Floyd!!!

Hatton lived at 140 but for you it was a big risk for Floyd at 147 where Hatton did nothing much? Same with Mitchel ......

The rest I already stated in my other post.

First and foremost floyds name was on the pac man contract, but manny backed out as the mediator stated.It was not floyd, it was manny that backed out, and you cant prove me wrong on that. TEAM PAC BACKED OUT FOR WHATEVER REASON.

Your second point of fighting the loser, well morales taxed mannys ass, and was taxed by zahir raheem..... Who did manny fight again? Cotto lost to margarito..... who did manny fight ???? cotto! Clottey hasnt won a fight in ****in forever.... who did manny fight?? CLOTTEY!

You then in ignorance talk about floyd fighting Sharmba Mitchell after he was beaten by kosta tsyu, but who did kosta tszyu fight after sharmba mitchell? If memory serves me correct kosta fought hatton, and lost. This was while mayweather was training for GATTI! (Check to see if I am right or not. This is how I remember it playing out.)

What title did floyd have at welterweight when he fought BALDOMIR? Didnt floyd get a title after beating baldomir? OF COURSE HE DID! Floyd told margarito, "keep winning and it will be bigger for me and you" MARGARITO LOST AND WAS A CHEATER. Do you really think that after all the times margarito has seen his hands wrapped he didnt know ****in plaster was not suposed to be in there?

YOU ARE SO DESPERATE THAT YOU ARE BRINGING UP A CHEATER!! THAT CHEATER MORE THAN LIKELY RUINED COTTO AS WELL.

HATTON CAME UP TO 147, and hatton didnt want floyd at 140 as he was not ready remember (HIS TRAINERS SHOULD NO BEST WHATS RIGHT FOR HIM, NOT YOU OR I)?? That gatti fight made a lot of people sit on their hands, ricky and cotto included. I have never heard in one article or one video cotto say he wants floyd mayweather. NOT ONCE. [B]BUT MAYBE YOU HAVE, AND IF YOU HAVE SHARE IT WITH ME.


No one made kosta retire. No one made him fight hatton......

no one made zab lose to baldomir......

GATTI WANTED IT. I AM SURE YOU CAN GO TO YOUTUBE AND WATCH AS SHANE MAKES up excuses almost as crazy as pac mans non testing excuses when it comes to fighting floyd.

LOOSE TOOTH??? CHECK

NEED A VACATION??? CHECK

AND MAYWEATHER CALLED HIM OUT ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION AS WELL. HE ALSO CALLED OUT KOSTA AS WELL AFTER ONE OF HIS FIGHTS.

AS A MATTER OF FACT AFTER HIS FIGHTS, FLOYDS MANTRA USED TO BE FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS NOT DUCKING OR DODGING ANYBODY. Now you would know this if you ahve been watching boxing long enough. The damn dude has been screaming for a oscar fight for years!!! YEARS BEFORE HE FOUGHT HIM, EVEN SHANE AS WELL!

In hindsight its easy to say that baldomir was a bum, but go look at brian kenny of ESPN give mayweather flack for not fighting baldomir. Baldomir was bigger as well. And got served.(HELL ESPN EVEN DID A SPECIAL ON BALDOMIR SELLING DUSTERS AND **** BACK IN HIS COUNTRY OF ORIGIN.)

DISPROVE WHAT I stated. If you can. This is how knowledge is increased.

[gqjohnb]

marg the #1 rated WW under the lineal champ for about two years when they were calling out Floyd.....Clottey was a top 5-3 WW, man are you insane? do you even follow boxing...??

PW was on top when he beat Margo..Margo was the #1 rated WW......UNDER THE CHAMP......man, simple!!!

Floyd was the #1 WW and Margo Had just lost to Daniel Santos a year before he called floyd out then he lost to Paul Williams in 06 and was still callin floyd out what did he do to make him the #1 contender over cotto during that time and Clottey has never stepped up in a championship bout so I don't see how anyone can argue him a viable opponent for the p4p at the time. Are you insane??? The only solid win margo had before cotto was Kermit Cintron. Don't come at me fam. Now if floyd was a pure WW and hadn't dominated 2 divisions before getting to WW then I would say these are fights he needed to take but thats not the case. If you guys looked at things objectively then you would see that DLH at 154 was a greater challenge than margarito who had yet to beat a solid opponent. If floyd had beat Margo we would be saying the same **** ask you guys and floyd's supposed to fight everybody in his 4th division. Margarito is overrated as **** and I thought people would be done with this after he got caught cheating and caught an ass whoopin from Shane but apparently I was wrong.

[gqjohnb]

marg the #1 rated WW under the lineal champ for about two years when they were calling out Floyd.....Clottey was a top 5-3 WW, man are you insane? do you even follow boxing...??

PW was on top when he beat Margo..Margo was the #1 rated WW......UNDER THE CHAMP......man, simple!!!

And just because you inherit a contender spot from the top guys losing doesn't mean you deserve a crack at the p4p tops. you have to earn your way there by winning against credible opponents and not losing to opponents who haven't even made a real name for themselves then you can claim the best is ducking you. You guys are ridiculous.

[QADASHBANYAH1]

You are making it too easy for me ...........

Here it goes:

1) Cotto vs Clottey and Judah vs Baldomir.

Cotto vs Clottey could have gone either way. Some had Clottey winning. So this point of yours is INVALID .... terrible analogy. Continue reading ....

Judah got creamed by Baldomir. It wasn't even close. So there was something definitely wrong with Judah fighting Floyd at Welterweight at this point and Floyd should have picked someone else. Still, Floyd picked to fight Judah. Why? It was less of a risk at this point.


Erik Morales vs Manny. Toooo easy Erik lost to someone that was at a higher division than Erik's ever been. Erik had beat Manny already and they wanted to have a rematch.


Do I need to continue or are you at least beginning to understand the trend? The difference?


2) Kostya vs Floyd never happened. Judah did fight Kostya, Hatton did, Mitchel did twice, Floyd didn't ..... maybe it's coincidence or maybe a trend. Read on ....


3) Come on, you really buying and putting Baldomir in this discussion ... just a complete joke. You are buying that but nobody and I mean nobody else bought it. That fight was joke of the year for those who know boxing.


4) Cotto vs Floyd and Margo vs Floyd. It's funny that AGAIN everyone can fight and find each other (Cotto vs Margo) but Floyd didn't ..... maybe it's coincidence or maybe a trend. Read on ....

Floyd should have faced the Cotto that faced or beat Mosley.... Floyd retired ... Floyd should have faced Margo not that nobody named Baldomir. Again, stop talking about Baldomir because he was and is a joke. All it proved was that Floyd should not have faced Gatti and Judah at that point in time. That's it BUT YOU ARE NOT SEEING THIS!!! Crazy man!!!


You state some points like the window of opportunity for Floyd to fight them is so small. That is so far from the truth since so many fighters can find each other but not Floyd.

5) I stated what I stated in my other post but you didn't really respond to it. All you said was OTHER WORDS but you never ever dispelled what I said .....



What I said was that he didn't fight Margo, Cotto, Kotsya and fought others such as Hatton, Mitchel in the wrong weight division .... also Floyd fought an out of prime Mosley, Oscar and Gatti and also guys who had just lost embarrassing fights to noname boxers yet Floyd fought them.


I don't agree with your response but at least you put an effort ......


What you and other Floyd fans are not seeing is that Floyd had missed so many opportunities to fight the bigger matches. You think it was great idea to fight Baldomir but the boxing critics thought differently about that pick and others.

The big names at WW were Mosley, Cotto, Williams, Margo ...... these people were all able to find each other..... Floyd got a hold of one of them when he was almost 39 and hadn't fought in 1.5 years...... I have no problem with you or someone else trying to defend Floyd but you need to understand that people have legitimate reasons as to why we say what we say.

This has nothing to do with how good Floyd is as I would be the first to say he is good...but to prove how good you are you need to face them all at their prime (within reason).

Ali took on Foreman after Foreman beat up Frazier and Norton easily. Where Ali had problems against both. Ali went across the world to fight Foreman and beat him. Critics want to see more of that from Floyd. ..... maybe it's coincidence or maybe a trend.

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On November 19, 2005, Mayweather fought a non-title bout at 147 lb (67 kg) against welterweight Sharmba Mitchell. It was his first fight in teh welterweight division!!!

Who do you think floyd was supposed to face? Was he supposed to come in and fight say MARGARITO THEN? The man fought sharmba mitchell whom lost to kosta, but kosta lost to hatton and retired. Cant fight a man that has retired. But hold on, here on thsi very site I remember an article about him frustrated about his injuries, and his trainer telling him to retire after MITCHELL WIN LOSE OR DRAW.

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=201

THERE YA GO, THAT SHOULD HELP YOU SLEEP TONIGHT.

On April 8, 2006, Mayweather defeated Zab Judah for the IBF and vacant IBO world welterweight titles by unanimous decision. Beforehand, the fight had been jeopardized after Judah lost the WBA, WBC and Ring Magazine welterweight titles to Carlos Manuel Baldomir on January 7, 2006, but Mayweather's and Judah's camps reworked the contract and decided that the fight would go on.

As you can clearly see even mayweather thought ZAB would beat baldomir, thats why it was called an upset. The contract was ready previously, and HAD TO BE REWORKED. You see you guys dont seem to understand that this **** is not on a fight by fight basis. Most of the superstars know who they are going to face at least 2 fights out. There are some instances where this doesnt happen, but most do. So zab was the champion, and yes he beat zab, and then beat baldomir the man that beat zab!. Margarito was supposed to fight floyd as well, and even bob arum stated that floyd would have fought him if he could guarantee a certain amount for this fight.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=351154

heres a quote.
BOB ARUM:

"Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=2420382

This is also proves my statement earlier about match ups being in the works, Its not just about you saying I want to fight this guy etc... It doesnt always work that way. Every promoter is trying to get a big pay day for their fighter so that they get paid! Bums dont generate money! Even Muhammad told you guys he kept manny away from african american fighters.

You see why you are being silly, a man doesnt want to make 8 million dollars fighting someone then making only 7 million fighting other opponents of fights people know they would like to see. Whether you know this or not the puerto ricans are very loyal, and a fight between cotto and floyd eventually would have been gold. Remember we are looking in hindsight. at this time floyd nor cotto was doing crazy numbers. Good numbers, but not blockbuster numbers.

America is in love with underdog stories, hence you see tons of movies about the underdog rising to the top. Think ROCKY BALBOA ETC.

"RICKY HATTON WAS THE GREAT WHITE HYPE"

Floyd and any black man with a brain knew this. Floyd also knew that this fight could easily bring in more than 7 million dollars for HIMSELF. Even today floyd still speaks on how manny is getting robbed by arum etc. Hell floyd knows this because he was there getting robbed as well! Now look at him, he makes more than any fighter top rank has, hell any two fighters they have combined, and yes you can include pacquiao as well.

You keep talking about ducking and ****, but what you fail to realize is what cotto and margarito and PACQUIAO HAVE IN COMMON IS THEY ARE ALL UNDER BOB ARUM WHO IS A VERY WISE BUSINESS MAN (DONT AGREE WITH ALL HIS TACTICS THOUGH)

Hes of course bitter that floyd left and even disses him to this day. Remember teh talk about floyd being better than ali, and ray leaonard etc from arum????

Now its floyd is afraid of real challenges. (HES SHUT HIS MOUTH A LITTLE SINCE FLOYD BEAT MOSLEY THOUGH) But prior to that fight floyd was a coward and everything else, and manny was the greatest thing since airheads or banana laffy taffys!

Now floyd uses golden boy to promote his fights. He makes more per fight (look at shane) than he would have made fighting hatton, cotto, and margarito under arum COMBINED!

He was locked in a contract with arum for x3 fights. Arum even stated he would have fought MARGARITO, but wanted more for the bigger matchups people would want to see.

You telling me that HATTON SHOULD HAVE NETTED HIM (FLOYD) ONLY 7 MILLION?

TWO UNDEFEATED FIGHTERS?

You are seeing what you want to see, and that makes you blind to the facts.


The rest of your post is garbage, because you fail to understand to put yourself in the shoes of the fighters at that time. BALDOMIR WAS A BUM OF COURSE IN HINDSIGHT, but ask gatti, judah was he a bum....

was he pernell whitaker? was he ray leonard? HELL NO of course not, but he won the title, and he wasnt handed the titles, he took them from zab judah.

[QADASHBANYAH1]

Floyd was the #1 WW and Margo Had just lost to Daniel Santos a year before he called floyd out then he lost to Paul Williams in 06 and was still callin floyd out what did he do to make him the #1 contender over cotto during that time and Clottey has never stepped up in a championship bout so I don't see how anyone can argue him a viable opponent for the p4p at the time. Are you insane??? The only solid win margo had before cotto was Kermit Cintron. Don't come at me fam. Now if floyd was a pure WW and hadn't dominated 2 divisions before getting to WW then I would say these are fights he needed to take but thats not the case. If you guys looked at things objectively then you would see that DLH at 154 was a greater challenge than margarito who had yet to beat a solid opponent. If floyd had beat Margo we would be saying the same **** ask you guys and floyd's supposed to fight everybody in his 4th division. Margarito is overrated as **** and I thought people would be done with this after he got caught cheating and caught an ass whoopin from Shane but apparently I was wrong.

lol real talk, they are putting cheater on a pedastal, you know you are lacking in understanding when you say a man should have fought a known cheater.

And no matter what margarito says, he has had his hands wrapped enough to know that the plaster was not supposed to be there.


CLOTTEY???

HERE GOES A STAT FOR THESE KNUCKLEHEADS.

CLOTTEY HAS WON x3 FIGHTS SINCE December 2, 2006 (HERE HE LOST TO MARGARITO)

SO FROM 2006 DECEMBER TO MARCH 2010 HE HAS WON x3 FIGHTS. He beat Diego corrales, on On April 7, 2007, and beat shamone alvarez in December of 2007. He then beat Zab Judah on August 2, 2008.


Thats the highlight of his career.

He did nothing to even deserve a title shot against manny, so why in the hell was manny facing him? He hadnt even won a match since 2008!!


Margarito couldnt beat mayweather anyway. Mayweather doesnt tire. Cotto did and thast why he stopped cotto even though I think that gave cheato extra confidence knowing if you are trading punches with me and I have bricks in my gloves, then eventually you will have to buckle. CHEATO ISNT QUICK ENOUGH. And doesnt box good enough to stop MAYWEATHER. A PUNCHERS CHANCE IS ALL HE HAS.

[Heru]

Mitchell, Gatti, Hatton, Mosley, De La Hoya, Judah, & Tzuyu were guys that all the boxing 'experts' were saying would cement the legacy of Mayweather...he beat 6 of the 7 guys WHO AT THE TIME were considered his toughest challenges.....now when he beats them they were nobodies and he has ducked the best???

I'm in no way a Mayweather hater, but he fought Mosley 5 years later.

The Hatton fight was diluted because he didn't fight it at 140 and Hatton was exposed, as not being able to win when he didn't have the strength advantage, after he questionably decisioned Collazo.

The article said the winner of Tszyu-Mitchell, as far as I know, he's never beaten Tszyu.

He never beat Spinks, though I will give you it because Spinks' lineage went to Judah, then Baldomir. But the guy mentioned Spinks and not Judah coming off a loss or Baldomir.

6 out of 7? Where do you account for Hopkins and Trinidad?

Cotto and Mosley deserved fights in 07, but Mayweather chose to bring Hatton up from 140 instead. So Cotto-Mosley fought each other in what was a welterweight #1 contender fight. Cotto won, Mayweather instead was gonna rematch a washed up De La Hoya, but took a 2 year hiatus.

He ducked an undefeated Cotto. No question about it.

[QADASHBANYAH1]

I'm in no way a Mayweather hater, but he fought Mosley 5 years later.

The Hatton fight was diluted because he didn't fight it at 140 and Hatton was exposed, as not being able to win when he didn't have the strength advantage, after he questionably decisioned Collazo.

The article said the winner of Tszyu-Mitchell, as far as I know, he's never beaten Tszyu.

He never beat Spinks, though I will give you it because Spinks' lineage went to Judah, then Baldomir. But the guy mentioned Spinks and not Judah coming off a loss or Baldomir.

6 out of 7? Where do you account for Hopkins and Trinidad?

Cotto and Mosley deserved fights in 07, but Mayweather chose to bring Hatton up from 140 instead. So Cotto-Mosley fought each other in what was a welterweight #1 contender fight. Cotto won, Mayweather instead was gonna rematch a washed up De La Hoya, but took a 2 year hiatus.

He ducked an undefeated Cotto. No question about it.

DID HE NOT CALL MOSLEY OUT ? DID MOSLEY NOT SAY HE HAD A LOOSE TOOTH, AND COULDNT EVEN THINK ABOUT WHAT HE WANTED TO DO, OR WHO HE WANTED TO FIGHT NEXT?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPJhvYXKZK8

THAT SHOULD HELP JOG YOUR MEMORY.

The Hatton fight was diluted because he didn't fight it at 140 and Hatton was exposed, as not being able to win when he didn't have the strength advantage, after he questionably decisioned Collazo.

SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT FLOYD SHOULD HAVE WENT BACK DOWN TO 140 WHERE HATTON AND HIS TEAM HAD STATED THAT THEY WERE NOT READY FOR MAYWEATHER??

"they needed more exposure" was the words they used. Some how I think even if he beat hatton at 140 you still would say something crazy.

HATTON COULD NEVER BEAT FLOYD AND HONESTLY I dont see anybody boxing now that can.




YOU STATED:

The article said the winner of Tszyu-Mitchell, as far as I know, he's never beaten Tszyu.

Floyd was facing gatti at this time (TO HELP YOU WITH THE CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER). now after the mitchell fight, tszyu fought HATTON, AND LOST AND THEN RETIRED.

TSZYU WAS RETIRED AND FLOYD FACED SHARMBA MITCHELL AT 147. HE WAS SUPPOSED TO FACE THE WINNER BUT THE WINNER HAD ANOTHER BIG FIGHT WITH HATTON AND LOST AS YOU SHOULD NOW BE WELL AWARE OF.

YOU STATED:

He never beat Spinks, though I will give you it, because Spinks' lineage went to Judah, then Baldomir. But the guy mentioned Spinks and not Judah coming off a loss or Baldomir.

BECAUSE NO ONE EXPECTED BALDOMIR TO BEAT JUDAH, NOT EVEN FLOYD. SO FLOYD BEAT THEM BOTH, AS YOU ADMITTED CORY SPINKS GOT HIS "ISSUE" SO TO SPEAK.
SO AFTER JUDAH CLOCKED SPINKS, SHOULD FLOYD HAD NOW FOUGHT SPINKS TO FULFILL THIS ARTICLE AND YORU FANTASIES?? THEN YOU WOULD BE USING THE ARGUMENT YOU USED EARLIER TALKING ABOUT THE WINNER OF THE TSZYU AND MITCHELL FIGHT. (EVEN THOUGH YOU DONT KNOW WHY FLOYD NEVER FOUGHT HIM BECAUSE HE "TSZYU" WAS RETIRED) You would be wondering why he fought the loser. Just as brian kenny stated that floyd was afraid of baldomir SINCE HE CHOSE TO FIGHT JUDAH, even though the judah fight was already in the works. They simply reworked the contract., gets in there and puts on a clinic, and now baldomir is a bum as well.

6 out of 7? Where do you account for Hopkins and Trinidad?

If delahoya was too old, then so was tito as they are contemporaries. Or for better understanding, different eras.tito and oscar are basically teh same time frame, so if oscar is too old, then so is tito.

Oh and did you or anyone expect floyd to go up and fight bernard hopkins? maybe now he should fight vitali or wlad klitschko huh? No one even thought about that fight between floyd and b-hop.

Cotto and Mosley deserved fights in 07, but Mayweather chose to bring Hatton up from 140 instead. So Cotto-Mosley fought each other in what was a welterweight #1 contender fight. Cotto won, Mayweather instead was gonna rematch a washed up De La Hoya, but took a 2 year hiatus.

Mosley deserved these fights why?? And when did cotto ask for a fight with floyd, do me a favor find a link or something like that to support your position regarding cotto wanting to fight floyd in 2007. You as a fan wanted to see it, cotto never asked for it. Just as he didnt when he was at the fight when gatti was massacred by
mayweather.
Oh and Ricky was there as well as that fight was at 140, but mayweather was chasing oscar and shane. If you look at the video above you will see shane mosley talking about a loose tooth. At this time he was on top. As they say "BE CAREFUL WHO YOU MIS USE ON THE WAY UP, AS THEY WILL BE WAITING ON THE WAY DOWN"

MOSLEY WAS RUNNING FROM FLOYD. Didnt want none. Why dont you guys ask the question of why did it take to 2009 for shane to fight margarito????? Because shane had no choice, he was slipping, and wasnt a big draw, and needed a big win for big pay days.


YOU STATED:

He ducked an undefeated Cotto. No question about it.

OKAY SINCE COTTO ASKED FOR A GOOD WHUPPIN FROM FLOYD, LET ME SEE THE ARTICLE OF THIS CHALLENGE. Oh I get it you give floyd so much credit that floyd somehow knew in his 2 year hiatus that cotto would lose huh? That margarito would lose as well huh?

HOW DID FLOYD KNOW THIS? IF MARGARITO HADNT LOST THEN FLOYD WOULD HAVE TO FACE HIM ANYWAY. BUT HE WAS EXPOSED AS A CHEATER.

IF COTTO HADNT LOST PEOPLE WOULD HAVE WANTED THAT FIGHT. RIGHT NOW AT this time tehre is a thread of people asking why is cotto and option for floyd???

Who do you see begging for that fight? Floyd has boxed longer than both of them, and hes undefeated, why arent they???