Comments Thread For: Steward Tears Into David Haye Over Klitschko Fight

[LeadUppercut]

First, you're assuming Haye doesn't think he can win, which may be true, but if it is, it makes all his trash talking and his claims to be the saviour of the division completely pathetic.

Bull**** !!

Do you think that Floyd really believes that he is the greatest of all time?

Do you think that James Kirkland actually believes that he is better than Mike Tyson?

A fighter will say anything to put himself in the spotlight. Haye's braggart claims got him into the very position that he is in today. He did not get there through accomplishment.

Second, Haye was reportedly offered 50/50 vs. Wlad, which is a far better offer than he really deserves given his resume at heavyweight. And after all his trash talking, for him to refuse to sign after being given such an offer means he's lost all credibility with everyone who loves the sport of boxing.

No, I don't believe that Dave, otherwise..... why is Vitali still screaming for him? Why is his stock rising? And, why are you still talking about him?

You cannot deny that refusing that initial offer from K2 has made him MILLIONS of dollars, he is in a much better position now than he was when he got offered that ****ty 2-bro 3-fight deal.

He wants more, and he will get more..... just wait and see.

He may even choose to carry this on for months, fighting a few contenders for mortgage money before handing Vit the title.

If you put business above the sport then you're not a boxing fan, you're just a business fan. There are lots of business forums for people who are just business fans. This is a boxing forum.[/B]

I'm calling bull**** again .....

You and I have already discussed the business aspect of boxing, you have admitted to me that the business aspect of boxing is permanently ingrained in the sport that we love. Want to read your own post confirming that?

You are too knowledgeable to deny that the sporting side of boxing only exists because the business side allowed it to. To simply wave your hand and claim that Haye should "do it for the fans" is knieve.

Haye will get evicted if he cannot pay his mortgage, no matter how much of a "FAN" his bank manager is..... you ever thought about that?

[LeadUppercut]

That doesn't answer my question. I'm asking what intentionally pissing poeple off is going to accomplish. So far as I can see it can only turn off the fans who pay for the events, and turn off the fighters who might potentially do business with Haye in the future. Or does he think he's goin to get a better than 50-50 offer from Wlad if he just blanket ignores him now?

There'll come a point, soon I think, when both brothers will just say the hell with it and move on.

You could be right there bro.

Haye could overplay his hand.

[nomadman]

Maybe actually get people (**** even some hardcore fans don't watch HW's anymore) to give two-****s about the heavyweight division.

Sorry, maybe I'm a little touched by the rétard tonight, but I still don't see what pissing people off (I don't mean trash talking and all that jazz but genuinely pissing them off) accomplishes. If Haye shows that he has no intention of fighting a Klitschko any time soon then TV companies lose interest in him, the fans lose interest in him, the fighters lose interest in him. What does he achieve? All the momentum from his entering the scene back in 2008 is all but gone now as, I think, is most of the goodwill given him by fans outside the UK. I just can't see how any of Haye's antics of late will increase excitement or revenue for a potential Klit fight. Already I'm starting to see Haye as little more than another opponent.

[Dave Rado]

Maybe actually get people (**** even some hardcore fans don't watch HW's anymore) to give two-****s about the heavyweight division.

He's doing the opposite. As someone else said, a year ago, everyone was very excited about Haye-Klitschko. Since then the interest has been gradually dropping off, and now that it appears that Haye himself doesn't think he has a chance of winning if he ever fights them, it won't be nearly as big a fight as it would have been a year ago or even three months ago, because no one who loves boxing gives a **** about Haye any more, and few give him a chance of winning any more.

Eddie has 1/500 of the speed Haye has.

That's simply a crazy statement. Haye is a little faster than Chambers, but not much - and Chambers has a much better defence than Haye has. The Ruiz fight badly exposed Haye's vulnerability to the jab, and the jab is both Klits' greatest asset.

[Dave Rado]

Do you think that Floyd really believes that he is the greatest of all time?

He may or may not, but he wouldn't get away with that if he gave a bad performance in the ring. He totally dominated Mosley, who was generally rated the #1 Welterweight, to an extent that almost no one expected, so he was able to back up his talk. Plus, if he doesn't fight Pacquiao next, he'll damage his commercial pulling power in the long run.

Haye is losing all credibility by calling out the Klits and then running from them.

A fighter will say anything to put himself in the spotlight. Haye's braggart claims got him into the very position that he is in today. He did not get there through accomplishment.

You have to back up your talk in the ring or you quickly lose the spotlight again. There is already less excitement about Haye-Klitschko among real boxing fans than there was a year ago, because most people no longer believe that Haye himself thinks he has any chance of winning. It's true that the Valuev and Ruiz fights did him no harm, but his apparent reluctance since then to sign a contract with Wlad has seriously damaged his credibility and therefore his earning potential, IMO. And he's lost the support of almost all boxing fans because of it.

You cannot deny that refusing that initial offer from K2 has made him MILLIONS of dollars, he is in a much better position now than he was when he got offered that ****ty 2-bro 3-fight deal.

I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt when he fought Valuev and Ruiz, and it's true that the decision to fight Valuev - if you assume he will lose to either Klit - made financial sense. But the time for benefit of the doubt is over. He might have some casual fans left in Britain but hardcore fans even in Britain now mostly think he's a joke - and in the States, he has no fans left at all.

He may even choose to carry this on for months, fighting a few contenders for mortgage money before handing Vit the title.

And if he does, the fight won't sell nearly as well as it could have done, because he's losing credibility, and because people are starting to think that even he doesn't think he has a chance of winning.

You and I have already discussed the business aspect of boxing, you have admitted to me that the business aspect of boxing is permanently ingrained in the sport that we love. Want to read your own post confirming that?

You're over-simplifying what I said. I said that the business relied on the sport to succeed and vice versa. It would never have become the huge worldwide business that it did if it had just been entertainment and not a credible sport.

I did admit that in the earliest days it was more business than sport, but it was not a big business back then and what made it a big business was the sport.

Haye will get evicted if he cannot pay his mortgage, no matter how much of a "FAN" his bank manager is..... you ever thought about that?

Now you're being silly again - the man's already a multi-millionaire, as you stated in a previous post. He could retire now and live quite happily on just the interest from his savings if he wanted to.

[Hitman932]

I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt when he fought Valuev and Ruiz, and it's true that the decision to fight Valuev - if you assume he will lose to either Klit - made financial sense. But the time for benefit of the doubt is over. He might have some casual fans left in Britain but hardcore fans even in Britain now mostly think he's a joke - and in the States, he has no fans left at all.

It's a shame there were so many gullible people who fell for Haye's tricks and went along for a ride on his awesome platform of Words Without Action.

I knew 2 years ago that Haye was a coward who would avoid the Klitschko's at all costs. When he chose Monte Barrett it was already obvious that he was planning on taking the path of least resistance to the title.

Sadly too many British fans, blind and drunk on nationalistic pride, supported Haye's pathetic career moves by buying up PPV's and tickets for his bogus fights.

Now he believes he can continue into the future, fighting bums and selling the fights to a boxing fanbase completely ignorant about the sport.

The British Fans and British Media are the ones to blame for this. They created a cowardly monster, now they have to feed him to King Audley.

[el rey]

Sorry, maybe I'm a little touched by the rétard tonight, but I still don't see what pissing people off (I don't mean trash talking and all that jazz but genuinely pissing them off) accomplishes. If Haye shows that he has no intention of fighting a Klitschko any time soon then TV companies lose interest in him, the fans lose interest in him, the fighters lose interest in him. What does he achieve? All the momentum from his entering the scene back in 2008 is all but gone now as, I think, is most of the goodwill given him by fans outside the UK. I just can't see how any of Haye's antics of late will increase excitement or revenue for a potential Klit fight. Already I'm starting to see Haye as little more than another opponent.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say more people know (hell maybe even interested in) who David Haye is and what he means to the dull HW division is. Look man, what I'm saying is that its pretty sad that the HW doesn't even slightly compare to the 80's/90's. I don't expect Tyson Holyfield fights every 2 years, but fck man, this is some boring **** (I give Klits their props, they win and nobody can take that away from them, but they boring as hell). The fans (fans on bs.com) will never lose interest, they will just get tired, ***** n moan, but will always tune in. What matters is that, hopefully by August we'll hear whether he wants to fight Klit or take some more fights under his belt. I admit that it looks shady and lame that he pulled out of both fights, but now he's got people's attention. As aforementioned, im tired of this **** too, but i aint gonna crucify haye for it.

And yea the 1/500 was an overstatement, but he's still clearly faster than Chambers, not to mention, smarter and slicker.

[Steelhammer2011]

Haye is the biggest coward in boxing history.

Anyone who tries to defend him is a blind ******.

[ny123]

has haye responded to any of this yet?

[Toney Loc]

Hold on...........Wlad offered a 50-50 split? And Haye turned it down????????????



lmfaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

That's the most pussified move EVER especially if the fight takes place in Germany.