Removing race to help the Klitschko fans understand (HWD)

[Joeyzagz]

This thread will only compare past American Heavyweights to the current American Heavyweights. I think some Klitschko fans are so blinded by the nationality issue that they completely miss the point of the HWD being weak. Its more of a criticism of Americans, than the Klitschkos themselves.

Fastest American Heavyweight of the 1960's

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Fastest American Heavyweight of the 2000's




Whats odd about Eddie Chambers is that he is lighter than Ali was but has more flab on his belly as well. Hes slower, 3 ins shorter, with a lower KO%, weaker chin, and inferior in every way possible. Ali was an athlete that could walk into any professional locker room and be respected on physique alone. Chambers would get laughed at if he tried that. These are not even the same class of athletes and I havent even mentioned skill level yet...


1968 Fastest American Jim Hines ran 100m in 9.95 seconds

2009 Fastest American Tyson Gay ran 100m in 9.69 seconds

Americans in other sports are better than they were 30-40 years ago but this is not true in Heavyweight boxing. The division is garbage and I will illustrate this in pictures and you make your own call...

[Joeyzagz]

Number #3 American of the 1990's

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Number #3 American of the 2000's









Geezer Contender of 2000's



Geezer Contender of 1980's

[Vadrigar.]

when I glanced at eddie chambers:

LoL

Anyway,

The weight limit of the heavyweights has changed as have the size of its fighters in the division.

it was RARE to see a 6'7 250lb heavyweight in the 50's and 60's. This is why that specific weight range is a heavyweight class.

But to use a current definition (which has no authority) and try and superimpose it on an era in which only 1% of fighters matched the current definition is just plain absurdity.


clithuggers are in denial over some unarguable facts (like that prior to the moment the CW division was created, there was no such thing as a CW fighter, hence, if you were fighting weighing 176 lbs, you were a HW, and you still are to this day)


If we follow the clithuggers flawed logic Marciano, Tunney, Dempsey, Charles, Walcott, Johnson were never HW champions.

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Are you saying that the HW division is weak?


Well thank you Captain Obvious!

[Joeyzagz]

Are you saying that the HW division is weak?


Well thank you Captain Obvious!

Not so obvious when there are Klitschko fans Asking:

Is the heavyweight division really that Bad? Maybe its bad because the Klitschkos are dominating!

^^People have actually said this. There was another thread bragging about the Klitsckos beating the best American Heavyweights. Im waiting for the tallest midget thread to pop up.

[WladIsTheChamp]

This thread will only compare past American Heavyweights to the current American Heavyweights. I think some Klitschko fans are so blinded by the nationality issue that they completely miss the point of the HWD being weak. Its more of a criticism of Americans, than the Klitschkos themselves.

Fastest American Heavyweight of the 1960's

[IMG]http://i227.***********.com/albums/dd68/yungdojamayne/muhammad_ali.jpg[/IMG]

Fastest American Heavyweight of the 2000's




Whats odd about Eddie Chambers is that he is lighter than Ali was but has more flab on his belly as well. Hes slower, 3 ins shorter, with a lower KO%, weaker chin, and inferior in every way possible. Ali was an athlete that could walk into any professional locker room and be respected on physique alone. Chambers would get laughed at if he tried that. These are not even the same class of athletes and I havent even mentioned skill level yet...


1968 Fastest American Jim Hines ran 100m in 9.95 seconds

2009 Fastest American Tyson Gay ran 100m in 9.69 seconds

Americans in other sports are better than they were 30-40 years ago but this is not true in Heavyweight boxing. The division is garbage and I will illustrate this in pictures and you make your own call...

So what you are saying that if the Kltischko brothers fought Travis Walker, who has got the physique, you will give them credit? Chambers is also a lot heavier than most of Ali's opponents, even at 208, he is 30lbs more than Ali's Bob Foster. Thompson was 247 against Wlad, Foreman was 212 against Ali. HWs have gotten bigger period but being cut is the exception for big men, not the norm. It's a lot easier to look all cut up for a 6'3" man when he is 196 (that's the picture you have) than when he is 220lbs, why don't you show some pictures of Ali later in his career, when he had some flab. The HW period you are talking about had 177lbs and 185lbs guys masquerading as HWs and fighting under the label "heavy-weight". Not even cruisers today are that light. Like I said, it's a lot easier to look cut-up when you are Pac than when you are Pavlik. Take look at the physique of Eastern European HWs as well - Sultan, Chagaev, Dimitrenko - are any of them sculpted? That doesn't mean much though, in terms of skill. Not to cross into MMA, but take a look at chubby Fedor, he destroys sculpted dudes all the time. Skill is not tied to your physique, otherwise James Toney has none because he looked fat even at cruiser. The only guy who has that physique you are looking for other than the Klitschkos is David Haye, and he is too scared to even get in the ring with them.

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Not so obvious when there are Klitschko fans Asking:

Is the heavyweight division really that Bad? Maybe its bad because the Klitschkos are dominating!

^^People have actually said this. There was another thread bragging about the Klitsckos beating the best American Heavyweights. Im waiting for the tallest midget thread to pop up.

There is gonna be a yahoo or two that thinks the current HW division is actually strong and that American's are just hating. But America fully embraced Lennox Lewis at the end of his career as a viable champion and a lot of that has to due with the fact that he beat so many good fighters including Vitali himself.

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Ali and Chambers.

Classic

[Joeyzagz]

So what you are saying that if the Kltischko brothers fought Travis Walker, who has got the physique, you will give them credit? Chambers is also a lot heavier than most of Ali's opponents, even at 208, he is 30lbs more than Ali's Bob Foster. Thompson was 247 against Wlad, Foreman was 212 against Ali. HWs have gotten bigger period but being cut is the exception for big men, not the norm. It's a lot easier to look all cut up for a 6'3" man when he is 196 (that's the picture you have) than when he is 220lbs, why don't you show some pictures of Ali later in his career, when he had some flab. The HW period you are talking about had 177lbs and 185lbs guys masquerading as HWs and fighting under the label "heavy-weight". Not even cruisers today are that light. Like I said, it's a lot easier to look cut-up when you are Pac than when you are Pavlik. Take look at the physique of Eastern European HWs as well - Sultan, Chagaev, Dimitrenko - are any of them sculpted? That doesn't mean much though, in terms of skill. Not to cross into MMA, but take a look at chubby Fedor, he destroys sculpted dudes all the time. Skill is not tied to your physique, otherwise James Toney has none because he looked fat even at cruiser. The only guy who has that physique you are looking for other than the Klitschkos is David Haye, and he is too scared to even get in the ring with them.

Wow you typed an entire paragraph based on Ali being more cut than Chambers. Eddie vs Ali is an apt comparison for 3 reasons: Reason 1 & 2, they were both considered the fastest and best American Heavyweights of their era. #3 Ali was 210 when he fought his first big fight against Liston, Eddie Chambers was 209 vs Wladimir, so they weigh the same as well.

I said in my original post that skill is not the same as physique. My main point of this thread is that the AMERICANS of yester-year were stronger, faster and more athletic than the AMERICANS of today. They dont pass the eyeball test.

I think Arreola and Chambers would struggle with 1940's Heavyweights to be honest. They would get Abe Simoned and Billy Conned if they existed back then.

Wladimir and Vitali are of 90's/early 2000's caliber while there opponents look like rejects from the 1940's.

[pelonxsoldier28]

Not so obvious when there are Klitschko fans Asking:

Is the heavyweight division really that Bad? Maybe its bad because the Klitschkos are dominating!

^^People have actually said this. There was another thread bragging about the Klitsckos beating the best American Heavyweights. Im waiting for the tallest midget thread to pop up.

I see it like this, if they have to ask then they don't know anything of the sport because it's so obvious. Be it any country. I hav'nt ever heard of half of these bums.