Isn't Cotto a better plan B for Floyd than Martinez?

Collapse
Collapse
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Doctor_Tenma
    Monster
    Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
    • Apr 2009
    • 33313
    • 1,327
    • 1,249
    • 58,127

    #21
    Originally posted by Check
    I don't know why you guys keep saying, "winning the MW title would be greater" or "if he wants legacy" ,it's greater. First off, I thought Mayweather fights for checks, not belts or legacy. Secondly, Martinez although being a really good fighter, will not be remembered as one of the best fighters of our era. Miguel is a borderline hall of famer and will be remembered for years to come. Although Miguel isn't what he was, when people look back at his resume 40 years from now he will be remembered as a great fighter and enhance Floyds resume. People rarely remember if a fighter was shot or older when they look back at resumes, they usually just look at the name and say wow he beat a great champion, in this case Miguel Cotto. Floyd should give Miguel a shot. Let Miguel tap that ass.
    You act like people can't go back and watch where these fighters were.

    Comment

    • Check
      Banned
      Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
      • May 2008
      • 16585
      • 677
      • 132
      • 26,287

      #22
      Originally posted by Dominicano Soy!
      You act like people can't go back and watch where these fighters were.
      Yeah, they can and some intelligent people do that but you know the run around with people. People give Marciano a ton of credit for undefeated records and only hardcore fans know that a lot of his opponents were over the hill or shot or whatever. Most just go off what they read or what they remember, it's not super easy to find old time fights and get a clear picture of where a fighter was at his career. Things just fade away as time goes on.

      Besides all that when people look back at Martinez they won't have to much material, unless Williams becomes an all time great or whatever. People will look back at him and say most of the names he beat were not very good. Miguel on the other hand, people will point to his win against Mosley and fights with Pac for an example and say wow, that guy fought some great fighters.
      Last edited by Check; 06-07-2010, 09:39 AM.

      Comment

      • Check
        Banned
        Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
        • May 2008
        • 16585
        • 677
        • 132
        • 26,287

        #23
        Are you guys saying Martinez is a better option because of the MW championship for Floyd or Martinez the fighter? In the case of the belt, yes it would be good but as time goes by the belts mean less and less and who have you beat means more and more. Beating Cotto does more to Floyds legacy than a MW strap.

        Comment

        • T-97
          BuyTheTicketTakeTheRide
          Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
          • Nov 2007
          • 14808
          • 566
          • 628
          • 22,958

          #24
          Martinez is the Middleweight champion of the world, and was considered to be one of the best 154 Pounders in the world. His recent loss to Williams was very close, he beat up on Kelly Pavlik and is highly regarded.

          Cotto, right now, isn't on his best streak. He lost to Marg, beat Jennings, just got past Clottey, got destroyed by Pacquiao, then beat Foreman, who is rated below Martinez anyway.

          Legacy wise, Martinez is the better fight for Floyd right now.

          Comment

          • robboxing
            Contender
            Silver Champion - 100-500 posts
            • Mar 2010
            • 153
            • 0
            • 1
            • 6,217

            #25
            Martinez is a more interesting fight. Not only would it give Floyd the opportunity to get a belt in another division, the fight itself is more intriguing. I give Martinez a better chance than Cotto to beat Mayweather. It would be a very fast paced chess match rather than seeing Cotto get his ass countered all night

            Comment

            • TintaBoricua
              Waiting on MvC4...
              Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
              • Oct 2007
              • 3455
              • 509
              • 176
              • 9,466

              #26
              Originally posted by borikua
              You know he is.
              I'm a huge Cotto fan, honestly. My favorite fighter is Cotto. I distinctly remember saying to myself that even if Cotto would've gotten past Pacquiao, he wouldn't stand a chance against Mayweather. Unfortunately for Cotto, Pacquiao could take Cotto's punches, Miguel couldn't. Once again, I'm thrilled that he won and all in his 154 debut, but I have to stick with my guns when I say that Cotto can't be in there with the 154 elite. I just can't see him being as effective or dominant as he was when say, circa 2007. I just can't. I'm happy for Cotto, I really am. But he can't beat Mayweather (147 or 154).

              The fight will bring money in...so...ahh, never mind. This thread is about Cotto as an attraction with Mayweather. The fight brings money to the table, and it might make sense. Arum wouldn't toss away an opportunity like that and Floyd has another chance to take on a opponent for other comparisons between him and Pacquiao. They'd share Hatton, Oscar, Márquez, and Cotto as common opponents. That would be something. I could see Mayweather choosing Cotto over Martínez.

              Cotto (154) is less dangerous than Martínez.
              Cotto is a conventional fighter, Martínez is a southpaw.
              Cotto's workrate is average, Martínez is a very active fighter.
              Cotto fades in the last 2 rounds, Martínez has better stamina.
              Cotto is prone to cuts and power punches (take a look at his past 5 fights and check percentages), Martínez doesn't get beaten up that easily.

              Cotto is a less dangerous opponent and brings a lot of money via Puertorrican fans while Martínez is generally unknown in casual circles. If Floyd had to choose, he'd pick Cotto and he'd have a very easy time dismantling him unfortunately.

              The 2 cents of a humble Puertorrican.

              Comment

              • Doctor_Tenma
                Monster
                Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
                • Apr 2009
                • 33313
                • 1,327
                • 1,249
                • 58,127

                #27
                Originally posted by Check
                Are you guys saying Martinez is a better option because of the MW championship for Floyd or Martinez the fighter? In the case of the belt, yes it would be good but as time goes by the belts mean less and less and who have you beat means more and more. Beating Cotto does more to Floyds legacy than a MW strap.
                Hell no man. A win over Martinez would be the best win of Mayweather's career. You have to take Martinez's size into consideration, also his style. Cotto at this stage has taken far too much punishment, Martinez presents an even bigger challenge.

                Comment

                • street bully
                  Tua's daddy.
                  Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 25014
                  • 697
                  • 263
                  • 35,118

                  #28
                  Miguel can not shine Martinez's shoes real talk. If he can not fight Pacquiao, he should fight Martinez who is better than cotto ever was.

                  Comment

                  • Champ Is Here
                    I suck manny big peepee
                    • Jan 2010
                    • 2004
                    • 89
                    • 19
                    • 8,526

                    #29
                    Martinez is more interesting

                    Comment

                    • el malo
                      Last Of The Mo-Ricans!
                      Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 7298
                      • 260
                      • 427
                      • 14,024

                      #30
                      Originally posted by boxasmash
                      Historically Floyd winning a Middleweight strap would be bigger than him beating Cotto, just about.
                      floyd jr: "belts collect dust" that being said cotto brings in the dough, martinez brings peanuts.

                      Comment

                      Working...
                      TOP