Is Ali a bit overrated ?

[Vadrigar.]

CLEVELAND WILLIAMS HAD BEEN SHOT RIGHT BEFORE THE FIGHT. What the hell are you talking about. How can anyone talk about that win as an accomplishment. He didnt even have a large intestine. Not that Cleveland Williams was ever that good, but seriously this has to be a joke.

He was one of the hardest punchers of all time. It was an amazing achievement.

[TheMagicMan]

"Tyson fought Holmes who retired Ali" - Ali was an old man with parkinsons disease when he fought holmes. This is triangle theory ridiculous.

"Ali would not beat Vitali are you on drugs? How could anyone say that. What 250 lbs guy did Ali ever beat?" - All the more easier to beat. Vitali's Weight is an advantage for ALi

"You hear about "Big George"...Foreman weighed 2 lbs more than Ali...wow." - could be the hardest puncher of all time. That's what I call wow.

"Ali did beat a fat, slow, terrible Buster Mathis who was coming off of a loss of course." - He wasn't terrible fat and slow.

"Vitali would murder Ali in the ring. Sorry, if Vitali fought Ali's resume he would be undefeated with 50 KO's in the first 3 rounds and 61 KO's total." - vitali would be dead by now if he tried to go through ali's resume. Ali would destroy vitali

Really Buster Mathis wasnt fat and slow and terrible. Youre a joke. Buster Mathis weighed in 22 lbs more for the Ali fight then he had weighed in the previous fight. So a HW putting on 22 lbs is normal. Mathis also hadnt fought in 3 years. 3 damn years. In mathis's previous fight, 3 years before that he was beat ******ed by 196 lbs Jerry Quarry. Ali still couldnt KO a fat Mathis who hadnt fought in 3 years. Also what was Mathis's next fight...oh yeah for the world super heavyweight belt....The dude was a joke. So again explain how Buster Mathis wasnt terrible fat and slow when he came in over 250 and had not fought in 3 years, and was coming off of a loss to a cruiserweight...

[guru]

i voted overrated only cuz IDT he's GOAT, like he and others have claimed....

[TheMagicMan]

He was one of the hardest punchers of all time. It was an amazing achievement.

To beat a guy who was shot before a fight. SHOT. Shot with a gun in the stomach. How the hell is that an achievement.

[omarinbox]

Frazier definaetly was not the better fighter because he lost to Ali twice.

Being a bigger draw does not make you overrated. His resume speaks for it self.

How can you say he was "lucky" to beat frazier in manilla. Ali fought his heart out for 14 rounds. Just compare the state of fraziers face and ali's face after the fight and you will see.

And I think being a bigger draw can sometimes make you over-rated. He was second best in his era in my eyes as he never had the kind of handicap Frazier had. to be able to fight blind in one eye and hold the title Frazier clinches it....just

Ali said after that Manila fight he wanted to throw in the towel but Frazier's corner beat him to it.

[WladIsTheChamp]

Ali never "picked" on anyone. So that cancels out your post. He gave people shots at the title.

This "weight" argument dosent hold any weight. If you look in boxrec you will see that their is no cherry picking going on, the weights for the fights are all pretty much random and jumbled up. I have seen people on there that weigh more than him and some that weigh less.

For example he fought brian london straight after henry cooper. This cannot be cherry picking because they were both of comparable weight.

I could bring up manny more examples.

When ALi was a contender he had to earn his shot at the title.
When Ali was a champion other people had to earn their shot at the title.

I don't see anything wrong with this simple formula.

I see you are conveniently ignoring the fact that you disputed that Ali had ever fought someone as light as 177lbs in your earlier post. I guess you realized how ****** it is to argue something that anyone can quickly check to be true or untrue. You stated that I made up the fact that Ali fought light hws and barely cruisers (180lbs) when he was a full blown HW, I pointed to boxrec so you can check the veracity of my statements, you conveniently changed the argument to "picking" and some random bull****...nice job.

[prinzemanspopa]

So yeah Ali is generally over-rated as he is the bigger draw in terms of showmanship and intelligence. he bought brains to boxing.

Your post did nothing to explain why you think he is overrated.All you did was cry a river for a sad,pitiful leech who isn't even relevant to this topic.


Ali was lucky that he happened to be a superior fighter than frazier.He gave him a pasting despite fighting just eighteen rounds in three and a half years and had frazier ducking him for a further three years after that.



Stay out of this thread if you have nothing nothing constructive to offer,lad.

i have Foreman and Ali rated almost equally in my ATG rankings.......

know anything about the sport..

Do you really think you can criticize others for not knowing "anything about the sport" when you make posts such as the one above?


Do you have any idea how deep the gap is between the two's resume's?


foreman was a cherry picker with a padded record consisting mostly of bums.

[TheMagicMan]

"Vitali would murder Ali in the ring. Sorry, if Vitali fought Ali's resume he would be undefeated with 50 KO's in the first 3 rounds and 61 KO's total." - vitali would be dead by now if he tried to go through ali's resume. Ali would destroy vitali

And the logic is what? The fact that Vitali has never been down and Ali was dropped by guys who fought in YMCA's and a 185 pounder? The fact that Vitali's workrate is unlike anyone Ali ever faced. The fact that Vitali's body fat percentage in unreal and his size and strength are overwhelming. The fact that Vitali is a genius who has perfect game plans for his fights? Please tell me how Henry Cooper would drop Vitali...........Cooper couldnt even reach Vitali and would be dropped by one of Vitali's jabs.

[Vadrigar.]

To beat a guy who was shot before a fight. SHOT. Shot with a gun in the stomach. How the hell is that an achievement.

The way he beat him. That is the achievement.

[WladIsTheChamp]

Ali said after that fight he wanted to throw in the towel but Frazier's corner beat him to it.

So true, if anyone watched that fight, which was played on HBO and ESPN Classic like 50 times, Ali's corner was about to throw in the towel...