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Is Ali a bit overrated ?
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Originally posted by MmuhammadM View Post"Tyson fought Holmes who retired Ali" - Ali was an old man with parkinsons disease when he fought holmes. This is triangle theory ridiculous.
"Ali would not beat Vitali are you on drugs? How could anyone say that. What 250 lbs guy did Ali ever beat?" - All the more easier to beat. Vitali's Weight is an advantage for ALi
"You hear about "Big George"...Foreman weighed 2 lbs more than Ali...wow." - could be the hardest puncher of all time. That's what I call wow.
"Ali did beat a fat, slow, terrible Buster Mathis who was coming off of a loss of course." - He wasn't terrible fat and slow.
"Vitali would murder Ali in the ring. Sorry, if Vitali fought Ali's resume he would be undefeated with 50 KO's in the first 3 rounds and 61 KO's total." -vitali would be dead by now if he tried to go through ali's resume. Ali would destroy vitali
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Originally posted by MmuhammadM View PostFrazier definaetly was not the better fighter because he lost to Ali twice.
Being a bigger draw does not make you overrated. His resume speaks for it self.
How can you say he was "lucky" to beat frazier in manilla. Ali fought his heart out for 14 rounds. Just compare the state of fraziers face and ali's face after the fight and you will see.
Ali said after that Manila fight he wanted to throw in the towel but Frazier's corner beat him to it.Last edited by omarinbox; 06-02-2010, 12:34 PM.
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Originally posted by MmuhammadM View PostAli never "picked" on anyone. So that cancels out your post. He gave people shots at the title.
This "weight" argument dosent hold any weight. If you look in boxrec you will see that their is no cherry picking going on, the weights for the fights are all pretty much random and jumbled up. I have seen people on there that weigh more than him and some that weigh less.
For example he fought brian london straight after henry cooper. This cannot be cherry picking because they were both of comparable weight.
I could bring up manny more examples.
When ALi was a contender he had to earn his shot at the title.
When Ali was a champion other people had to earn their shot at the title.
I don't see anything wrong with this simple formula.
I see you are conveniently ignoring the fact that you disputed that Ali had ever fought someone as light as 177lbs in your earlier post. I guess you realized how ****** it is to argue something that anyone can quickly check to be true or untrue. You stated that I made up the fact that Ali fought light hws and barely cruisers (180lbs) when he was a full blown HW, I pointed to boxrec so you can check the veracity of my statements, you conveniently changed the argument to "picking" and some random bull****...nice job.
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Originally posted by omarinbox View PostSo yeah Ali is generally over-rated as he is the bigger draw in terms of showmanship and intelligence. he bought brains to boxing.
Your post did nothing to explain why you think he is overrated.All you did was cry a river for a sad,pitiful leech who isn't even relevant to this topic.
Ali was lucky that he happened to be a superior fighter than frazier.He gave him a pasting despite fighting just eighteen rounds in three and a half years and had frazier ducking him for a further three years after that.
Stay out of this thread if you have nothing nothing constructive to offer,lad.
Originally posted by check hook View Posti have Foreman and Ali rated almost equally in my ATG rankings.......
know anything about the sport..
Do you really think you can criticize others for not knowing "anything about the sport" when you make posts such as the one above?
Do you have any idea how deep the gap is between the two's resume's?
foreman was a cherry picker with a padded record consisting mostly of bums.Last edited by prinzemanspopa; 06-02-2010, 12:38 PM.
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Originally posted by MmuhammadM View Post"Vitali would murder Ali in the ring. Sorry, if Vitali fought Ali's resume he would be undefeated with 50 KO's in the first 3 rounds and 61 KO's total." -vitali would be dead by now if he tried to go through ali's resume. Ali would destroy vitali
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