What do you guys think about this fight: Lucian Bute vs Zsolt Erdei at 175?

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Not impressive? They are a lot more proven then any of the scrubs Erdei beat save for Frag and Gonzalez. Andrade is a quality fighter and if he isn't then that makes Kessler's resume **** because that was his best win until Carl Froch.

How does KOing a guy in a rematch impressively and dominating him the first tiem for 11 rounds be called "unimpressive"

You didn't even bother supporting Erdei's resume. You just see that the other people are sluggers and you view them as ****, and write them off. Bika is better then a lot of people on Erdei's resume too.

Berrio is one of my favorite fighters warp. I love his get or be got style.

[BattlingNelson]

Not impressive? They are a lot more proven then any of the scrubs Erdei beat save for Frag and Gonzalez. Andrade is a quality fighter and if he isn't then that makes Kessler's resume **** because that was his best win until Carl Froch.

How does KOing a guy in a rematch impressively and dominating him the first tiem for 11 rounds be called "unimpressive"

You didn't even bother supporting Erdei's resume. You just see that the other people are sluggers and you view them as ****, and write them off. Bika is better then a lot of people on Erdei's resume too.

I think Mundine in Australia is a better win for Kessler, but Andrade was probably second. That doesn't make Kessler's resumé **** at all. He has beaten more champions than you've eaten peas.



You pretty much named the best wins of Erdei but the longevity at world level you missed like you missed out on saying that Berrio, Miranda and Zuniga where pretty washed up. Bika isn't really that good. He is really just a crude tough slugger who BTW has said that he thought Kessler was in a class of his own (before Andrade).

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Bute is a protected, garbage fighter.

[warp1432]

I think Mundine in Australia is a better win for Kessler, but Andrade was probably second. That doesn't make Kessler's resumé **** at all. He has beaten more champions than you've eaten peas.



You pretty much named the best wins of Erdei but the longevity at world level you missed like you missed out on saying that Berrio, Miranda and Zuniga where pretty washed up. Bika isn't really that good. He is really just a crude tough slugger who BTW has said that he thought Kessler was in a class of his own (before Andrade).

The longevity isn't impressive at all when you consider the lack of quality opposition. Tunney said he was poorly mismanaged by Universum, which might be true, so if that's the case how is his resume better then Bute's?

Berrio wasn't washed up at all. Coming off wins of Yusaf Mack and current WBO champ Robert Stieglitz (Avenged a previous loss too), he banked in his best wins of his career before losing to Bute.

[Hitman932]

Berrio wasn't washed up at all. Coming off wins of Yusaf Mack and current WBO champ Robert Stieglitz (Avenged a previous loss too), he banked in his best wins of his career before losing to Bute.

Berrio had already been knocked out 4 times by marginal fighters before facing Bute, it's not even worth arguing about.

William Joppy hadn't actually made the weight at 168 lbs or fought a single ranked contender at 168 in 3 years when Bute offered him a title shot that he had no business getting.

Fulgencion Zuniga? Yep, Bute handpicked him too. The same guy who had lost to Daniel Santos at 154 and was TKO'd by Pavlik at 160 somehow ended up becoming a handpicked undeserving challenger to Bute at 168.

Andrade is the one decent win he has and he arguably lost the first fight.

Notice anything these guys have in common?

Like maybe the fact that they are very slow, only move in straight lines and block punches with their faces?

[warp1432]

Berrio had already been knocked out 4 times by marginal fighters before facing Bute, it's not even worth arguing about.

William Joppy hadn't actually made the weight at 168 lbs or fought a single ranked contender at 168 in 3 years when Bute offered him a title shot that he had no business getting.

Fulgencion Zuniga? Yep, Bute handpicked him too. The same guy who had lost to Daniel Santos at 154 and was TKO'd by Pavlik at 160 somehow ended up becoming a handpicked undeserving challenger to Bute at 168.

Andrade is the one decent win he has and he arguably lost the first fight.

Notice anything these guys have in common?

Like maybe the fact that they are very slow, only move in straight lines and block punches with their faces?

Zuniga was a tune up fight to build for the Andrade fight.

Joppy was garbage, hence why I didn't list him.

Berrio was knocked out by Stieglitz (avenged) and **** fighters early in his career. The fact is, Berrio was coming in off the best wins of his career and Bute absolutely destroyed him.

Even if you think the guys that Bute beat are ****, it is a lot better then Erdei's resume.

I can do what you did to Bute's resume to Erdei's too:

Gonzalez (Old as hell, got a fluke win over DM who was also old.)
Frag (Old as hell, lost to David Haye who is **** according to you, so why does it matter?)
Garay (He's so **** that he lost to Chris Henry in 1 round. Erdei barely beat this bum twice)
Mendoza (Lost to Jeff Lacy. Nuff said. 160 was also his weight class)
Ulrich (Lost to Adamek by KO a lot sooner)

And like I said before, they might be one dimensional, but some of those sluggers (Mainly Andrade and Bika) are good one dimensional.