PAC's workrate, weight, speed & power

[Doctor_Tenma]

you want examples as far as what? Someone moving up in weight and there punch resistance improving? How about Cotto pre-Pacquiao. He was dropped by Torres and hurt by Corley, yet Margarito & Shane landed tons of Flush punches and he wasn't dropped.

This is just a recent example and there are several of these throughout the history of the sport.

Cotto was actually weight drained at Jr WW.

[TriggerItch]

pacs workrate "appears" higher, because of clottey, that's all

[Mr. Chago]

you want examples as far as what? Someone moving up in weight and there punch resistance improving? How about Cotto pre-Pacquiao. He was dropped by Torres and hurt by Corley, yet Margarito & Shane landed tons of Flush punches and he wasn't dropped.

This is just a recent example and there are several of these throughout the history of the sport.

Yes that's a good example but from 140 to 147 lbs isn't it? not from 130 lbs to 147 lbs...

It's just not the same to be in the ring with guys almost 20 lbs bigger and compete in world class level,not only that but demolish them...that's what makes PAC unique IMO.

What about the workrate, speed, keeping his power...

[TriggerItch]

yes he is. floyd has the quicker hands, mosley looked slow against floyd and we know mosley is very fast. i dont care what anyone says but when they get in the ring you will see for yourself floyd will be the quicker man in that square circle.

floyd is fast, but mosley has for one, never been as fast as floyd, two, he was overtrained as he showed by his constant jerking and inability to relax

[johncods]

This **** again?? 1st of all pac has always had a high workrate when he was draining himself so how much more if he didn't have to?? and the speed power thing. LOL pac had one punch KO power at 122-126 maybe even 130. He doesn't have one punch KO power now, he is hurting guys with punches they don't see coming. I mean other than ricky who walked right into a rocket pac been softening guys up then finishing them late. And about him being faster duh he's fighting bigger but slower fighters ofcourse he's still gonna be faster than most of them. he is alot slower than his featherweight days alot slower.

And you wan't examples?? how about every fighter in the history that has moved up and become successful. Heck Floyd has basically done the same. moving up and keeping his speed and strength and dominating mother****ers. they just have different styles that's all.

[mushahadeen]

What about the workrate, speed, keeping his power...

SPEED-- just watch him shadowboxing. Pac is fast as ****, but he's slower than he used to be.

POWER-- watch Pac's fights at the lighter weights. He was consistently KO-ing guys with 1-2 combos. He would just throw that **** over and over.

At WW, Pac has to either...

A) hit guys 1000s times ala De La Hoya
B) hit guys with punches they don't see coming ala Cotto and Hatton

So in conclusion, Pac clearly has less speed and less power (relatively speaking) at WW than at the LWs, not more.

[cixthree]

Well since nobody can seem to answer the question or stay on topic. No fighter has ever done it be fore Pac did it.

Normally as you get bigger, your activity decreases. I can understand the power increase, but the speed, stamina and punch resistance I don't get. Id understand the punch resistance if he were either still fighting small men or lite puncers. But he's doing this against naturally bigger men and harder punchers.

I see a lot of "maybes, it could bes and what ifs" when it comes to these increases. Like the one where "Maybe he feels strong because he doesn't have to cut weight" well Maybe that why he felt weak against Morales also, blood had little to nothing to do with it, no mention of that I see.

But if Freddy is such a guru, why didn't he move Manny up sooner if he knew cutting weight made Manny weak?
If its now Freddys logic "A guy needs to fight closer to his natural weight" where was this logic before when Manny was "draining"?

Seems to me something has changed, ain't no if, ands or maybes about that.

Bigger= less active,
Heavier= less stamina
Bigger and heavier= decrease in speed.

That's natural

[Mr. Chago]

This **** again?? 1st of all pac has always had a high workrate when he was draining himself so how much more if he didn't have to?? and the speed power thing. LOL pac had one punch KO power at 122-126 maybe even 130. He doesn't have one punch KO power now, he is hurting guys with punches they don't see coming. I mean other than ricky who walked right into a rocket pac been softening guys up then finishing them late. And about him being faster duh he's fighting bigger but slower fighters ofcourse he's still gonna be faster than most of them. he is alot slower than his featherweight days alot slower.

And you wan't examples?? how about every fighter in the history that has moved up and become successful. Heck Floyd has basically done the same. moving up and keeping his speed and strength and dominating mother****ers. they just have different styles that's all.

Now PAC has no punching power...wtf?

He's slower and appears faster against slower opponents, ok, but he throws a lot more punches, with power compared to SSM...

[| THE KING |]

Pacman ain't draining himself anymore...

[Khalid X]

Cotto was actually weight drained at Jr WW.

Well that is why I was asking exactly what he meant. You can say the same about Pac because he was killing himself to make 112 when he got destroy by singsurat, which is why I brought up Cotto because IMO its the same thing.