'USADA is not capable of certifying that athletes are clean' -Conte

[Red_Menace]

I dont understand the logic in all of this. You have all of these Pac fans saying the USADA testing is not good enough, yet they argue for accepting Pac's cutoff demands.

The USADA testing is not 100%, even if you do 24/7 365 days a year. Everyone knows that. Starting the testing from the time the fight is signed is not ideal, but I still think having the USADA testing during the heaviest part of training camp is better than going with Nevada.

That's what this whole this is about - making improvement. Sure, Floyd and Mosley will say they're 100% clean, but that's just them doing PR for themselves. But who really cares what they think? The USADA keeps samples for a long time, and is keeping the samples from this fight for 8 years, I think. As the science improves, they will retest those samples. Floyd or Mosley could test positive 8 years from now. That's the point of doing all this.

I'm still waiting for someone to point out an organization that could have done a better job with the testing, and I'm assuming I'll be waiting a long time because there is none. Should boxers have to undergo 24/7 365 day a year random testing? Yes, they should. Since there isn't a federal boxing commission in the USA, and the sport is run by a bunch of crooks from different promoting organizations, it'll be hard to enforce year round testing for all professional boxers in the USA.

Nevada will have a hard time jumping the gun because they'll be at a competitive disadvantage for getting big fights. Fighters will go to big arenas in other big states, where they can cheat. They'll just go to Texas, which has supposedly has more lax standards. They let Holyfield fight when he'd been suspended elsewhere. West ******ia let Tommy Morrisson fight in 2007 when he is known to have HIV, and they don't even demand blood testing to check for that kind of thing.

There are legitimate complaints about the way the testing was handled for Floyd vs Mosley, but it was definitely an improvement.

Oh, and I'm not sure how any of this justifies Pac bailing on a drug test that could have earned him over twenty million dollars, more likely the thirty to forty range.

[Boxingholic]

Its all mental Flyod trying to achived before fighting Pac. Got it? Mental !!!

[cixthree]

have you read conte's interviews?

he's the guy who created the PED's for f's sake. he said floyd-shane testing is ****.

point is, if floyd wanted to clean up the sport, he would have done what olympians do, which is subject himself to testing year round. that would truly set an example.

not choose the fighters he would do olympic style testing within a period that can easily be beaten.

point here, there isn't a significant improvement in floyd's proposed testing if it can be cheated as well.

What did he say about Manny wanting cut off dates? bet you hated him then lol

[Monte Fisto]

Ok, so if this testing isn't as advertised, then Manny should have hopped on board with NO cut off date requests. But for a number of reasons, he wanted a 30 window of no testing. That's fishy. And since Conte is blasting this testing by the USADA, can we expect Manny to agree to NO cut off dates and year round testing?



Yawn. Floozy? My goodness. How did you feel when Tyson demanded that Evander get tested before their second fight...or did you even have knowledge of that?

Oh, believe me, I have a much better monicker for your boy, but it's types like you who would cry about it.

No, I did not know about Tyson askin' Holy to get tested, only years after, actually, I found out about it through discussions on this site. Well, all I can say is this. Tyson didn't go off accusin' Holy on every media channel, that makes a big difference, **** was done behind closed doors, like real men !

And I do think that your "personal friend" , Evan Fields, was on PEDs. Don't get it twisted, Holy was one of my favorite boxer. He was a great example on what a pro fighter is all about( - the peds, hehe)

[V.WEBB]

You guys do realize that he is not saying that the USADA tests are completely useless right? What he is saying is that in order to be practically fool proof they would need to use the tests year long. Now let me ask this, since you guys think that the USADA tests which are way more stringent than the NSAC are useless then basically you guys are saying the much inferior NSAC tests are a total joke and by those logics we should just not bother to test all. Now does that make sense at all to any of you guys?

You have to learn to creep before you can walk, the USADA tests have just started to be implemented and has room for error. It is in it's creeping stages. Over time if adopted by the commissions it can be implemented in boxing full time to be used year long. But as of right now in its current form it is the best testing available and is still MUCH better than NSAC's drug tests.

Think of this also, you can't even get Pac to do full random tests in an 8 week period, do you think he would agree to a year long program?

Good post. I mean some Manny fans were fine with the NSAC testing and hated the testing by the USADA. In doing do, made every excuse for Manny not to do the more stringent testing. Now that Manny has agreed to an offer that doesn't exit, this testing by USADA is however, a joke. So, why are they happy he agreed to an expired 14 day cut off of this "joke" testing? Now they are pushing for year round testing...which is good, but as you said if its hard for him to agree to full 8 week random testing then year round testing is OUT OF THE WINDOW!

[17scenes]

I think alot of people still dont understand why the tests are done.

There isnt a single testing program out there that is foolproof. None. Zero. Nada.

The point of testing is not to catch everybody who cheats. That is impossible. The point of testing is to catch "anybody" at anytime.

In short, its a deterrent.

So the USADA testing is much better then the NSAC testing. Thats just a fact. They are much more thorough in their testing. But that still does not mean that they can garantee anything at 100%. Again, there isnt a single testing program in the world that can garantee that.

For boxing fans it still comes down to this. Do you want better testing for the sport, or dont you?

[Thread Stealer]

There's no such thing as any testing program that would guarantee that someone is 100% clean, besides having a rep follow the athlete 24/7 like The Truman Show.

[Red_Menace]

Pac's anti-USADA supporters will let this thread die and start a new one, since there are too many rational posts for them to argue against.

It'll probably be another five minutes before we see a new thread about:
-Floyd ducking Pac
-USADA doesn't work, stick with the NSAC testing
-14 day cutoff is acceptable

[carts]

There is a difference between year round random testing, and being tested every day.

do you honestly know ANYTHING about this OST testing? or u just read it somewhere in the internet and made you a GENIUS ABOUT IT...

[Reloaded]

Its all mental Flyod trying to achived before fighting Pac. Got it? Mental !!!

Couldnt be that he thinks Manny is juicing and wants him guaranteed clean could it that would be too far fetched eh lol ,,, if its a mental thing why didnt Manny just say yeah sure no problem and blow Floyds mental edge away , it was a simple yes no demand how do you get a mental edge by asking somebody to comply to OST ,,,, Manny dug his own hole buddy by saying no to something any other fighter would accept without a whimper .