'USADA is not capable of certifying that athletes are clean' -Conte

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  • RL_GMA
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    #21
    Originally posted by COACH-WEBB
    How many times are boxers tested with standard NSAC drug testing?
    Thing is, then why bother even going through OSTs if neither guy would have or will go through year round testing (which NSAC does anyway with yearly exams)? The OST's clearly seem to be the roadblock for Pac vs Mayweather which now seems like an unnecessary test.

    I'm wondering now if the USADA advised Floyd about how their tests work and he said, "I don't care, TEST!"

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    • V.WEBB
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      #22
      Originally posted by Ryannn
      this isn't about how ****ty NSAC is (which has been established numerous times). this is about how ****ty "olympic-style" testing is.

      if the USADA testing can easily be beaten, then it doesn't make it any better than the NSAC testing.
      Again, its better than the NSAC testing. The fact that it is random is a HUGE step up. Now, have you always felt that this testing was terrible, or any better than the NSAC testing?

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      • Monte Fisto
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        #23
        Originally posted by COACH-WEBB
        You think OST is bs, cool, but weren't you rejoicing when Manny agreed to this expired offer? Got my degree at Howard U? Why Manny fans always make racists remarks? I'm a MAN, don't call me a boy. Keyboard tough guy.



        Did you listen to Tygart's interview last night?
        Sorry for calling you "boy", fa&&ot, hehe, that name fits you more, and having seen your one and only pics, she looks like she's the man, haha.

        Where was I, okay, I could careless about OSTs, whether PAC accepts or not, does not make a difference to me. More power to PAC if he says screw Floozy one more time.

        No, I did not listen to Tygart's interview, I just read the transcript, he ain't sayin' nothin' new, in fact, I didn't need to hear Tygart's side. Because from the very beginning, knowing what I know about OSTs, there's still too much room for cheating if it's gonna only be on a fight per fight basis !! And I lol'ed at Tygart's reason as to why he doesn't think it's necessary to test Floozy and Shane after the fact !!

        What you have to say now, boy ?

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        • RL_GMA
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          #24
          Originally posted by DE100
          Come on people Pac fans are now advocating for a even tougher test, Im sure Mayweather will accept, hope Manny will.

          Hope Mayweather gets the message this time around and pushes for a tougher test like Pac fans now want.

          Pac fans Lets start a petition. Heard you guys are experts at that, lets make sure Mayweather and Pac go through the toughest test ever, the Best test around USADA (WADA) is not good enough.

          Let go people we need to start this movement.

          I got a better idea....

          Have both guys sign the contract and just fight...

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          • V.WEBB
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            #25
            Originally posted by RL_GMA
            Thing is, then why bother even going through OSTs if neither guy would have or will go through year round testing (which NSAC does anyway with yearly exams)? The OST's clearly seem to be the roadblock for Pac vs Mayweather which now seems like an unnecessary test.

            I'm wondering now if the USADA advised Floyd about how their tests work and he said, "I don't care, TEST!"
            What you are saying is pure speculation. I mean, who do you guys think Floyd is. What kind of influence do you all really think that he has? Seriously. These guys have been in business before dealing with Floyd, testing other athletes in other sports. But again, if an athlete KNOWS when he is going to be tested it is easier to beat. Random testing is the best way to go, simple as that.

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            • Ryannn
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              #26
              Originally posted by DE100
              Come on people Pac fans are now advocating for a even tougher test, Im sure Mayweather will accept, hople Manny will.

              Hope Mayweather gets the message this time around and pushes for a tougher test like Pac fans now want.

              Pac fans Lets start a petition. Heard you guys are experts at that, lets make sure Mayweather and Pac go through the toughest test ever, the Best test around USADA (WADA) is not good enough.
              as a pac fan, i always have supported better testing if it is established by the commission. not fighters who chooses who they want to go through olympic style testing with.

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              • DE100
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                #27
                Originally posted by RL_GMA
                I got a better idea....

                Have both guys sign the contract and just fight...
                No The movement has started it cant be stopped, EVERYONE SING "We shall overcome, We shall overcome, We shall overcome, some day."

                This is a movement everyone must join, Pac fans have started the movement for tougher test, lets all follow on this journey.
                Last edited by DE100; 05-24-2010, 10:10 PM.

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                • Khalid X
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by pasawayako
                  'USADA is not capable of certifying that athletes are clean': Exclusive Interview with Victor Conte
                  May 24, 6:57 PM

                  PART ONE OF A 3-PART SERIES

                  "they make you pumped up and more nutrients and more fluid gets inside the cells which will also make you tight and lack flexibility and speed when you're on these. " -- Victor Conte

                  Much has been talked about around the boxing circles in the past 6 months regarding performance enhancing drugs and steroids thanks in large to Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s steroids insinuations against other top fighters in boxing including potential opponent Manny Pacquiao.

                  So instead of assuming, guessing and asking misguided questions, I went to one of the experts when it comes to steroids and HGH, the infamous Victor Conte. Conte is known for involvement with Barry Bonds and several other athletes in the past who were caught with doping.

                  Conte served time in prison and has since vowed to clean up his act, but still continue to help elite athletes perform at an optimum level.

                  Check out part one of my interview with Conte below as he discussed steroids with me in length and other factors surrounding it as well as Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr's continuing saga with performance enhancing drug accusations.

                  Quotes from this interview:

                  Victor Conte - "Boxing is different than Olympic caliber sports. You have individual fight. My prescription or recommendation would be, once you become a ranked fighter in the top 10, you should be subjected to 24/7 365 testing,"

                  "Let's just take for example this recent fight between Floyd Mayweather and Shane Mosley. They signed up for this USADA testing, but they actually started five weeks out. Now recently it's recently come out that they didn't even start testing til' 18-19 days before the fight. They initially did some blood testing and urine testing and it was supposed to be random and of course the athletes always have the threat that they can be tested at any time and that can pose to be a deterrent."

                  "There's no blood testing now that is fool-proof. As an example with the Olympic athletes let's just say during the time frame of Beijing in 2008 which was in August of 2008. When the athletes that made the decision of using performance enhancing drugs used them, specifically anabolic steroids and growth hormones, was back in the October, November, December time frame the year before in 2007. This is when they used steroids in conjunction with an intense weight training and they build the explosive strength and speed base that serves them months and months later throughout the competitive season and at the Olympic games."

                  "So back to this Mosley-Mayweather fight, either one of these guys could have been using anabolic steroids months and months up until the time... whatever the date was.. I believe the first testing the did was March 22nd before the fight on May 1st. The way steroids work is called the process of cell volumization. And they make you pumped up and more nutrients and more fluid gets inside the cells which will also make you tight and lack flexibility and speed when you're on these. You develop your strength base but you have to taper at least 2 weeks before your body comes down to a normal fluid balance and you could utilize that strength, power and speed."

                  "Yes for a short period of time, about a three week time frame, they were subjected to testing, actually it was just about a two week time frame and the final 18 or 19 days there was no testing. Now I'm giving ways on circumventing the testing so you understand that USADA as an example is really not capable of certifying these fighters are clean."


                  Listen to the interview below to hear all the details of this interview and check back soon for part 2 as Conte breaks down Mayweather-Pacquiao and suggests the proper tests and conditions he deems fair to make the fight happen

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lPNk...layer_embedded

                  I made this same exact statement to IMDAZED, boxingscenes PED guru, and he it went over his head, along with other posters as well. It's nice to know that someone like Conte is co-signing the same thing I have been saying for the longest.

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                  • V.WEBB
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Monte Fisto
                    Sorry for calling you "boy", fa&&ot, hehe, that name fits you more, and having seen your one and only pics, she looks like she's the man, haha.

                    Where was I, okay, I could careless about OSTs, whether PAC accepts or not, does not make a difference to me. More power to PAC if he says screw Floozy one more time.

                    No, I did not listen to Tygart's interview, I just read the transcript, he ain't sayin' nothin' new, in fact, I didn't need to hear Tygart's side. Because from the very beginning, knowing what I know about OSTs, there's still too much room for cheating if it's gonna only be on a fight per fight basis !! And I lol'ed at Tygart's reason as to why he doesn't think it's necessary to test Floozy and Shane after the fact !!

                    What you have to say now, boy ?
                    Your humor is dry, very. Why were you standing by all of Manny's excuses if you didn't really care?

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                    • Ryannn
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by COACH-WEBB
                      Again, its better than the NSAC testing. The fact that it is random is a HUGE step up. Now, have you always felt that this testing was terrible, or any better than the NSAC testing?
                      from testing that can easily be beaten to a random testing that can easily be beaten...

                      yup, improvement.

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