Juan Ma Lopez is a question mark with a capital Q.

[Del Coqui]

I don't really like a Darch-Rafa fight either, but it aint like Lopez is gonna be available in August. And when Marquez was Juan Ma's age he was beating fighters like Tim Austin and Mark Too Sharp Johnson. That's why your **** is weak son. WEAK.

Weak??? I said he outclassed two Mex champs, and Rafa said he would fight Vic who is way smaller, those are facts... How is my **** weak?

[Toney Loc]

How bout them Hawks?


The Killer whales reduced the Sharks to catatonic immobility.

Swept them out with the trash...

2010 Champions, amigo.

[Del Coqui]

JuanMa is a bigger draw than Vic, all day, all night.

Shaw is just being Shaw.

I guess there's no logical explanation on fighting Vic instead of Lopez then.

[Guest]

I guess there's no logical explanation on fighting Vic instead of Lopez then.

There is. Shaw wants more of the pie.

And he gets it with this match up.

[Left Hook Tua]

Nobody wanted Caballero.
He had to go to Thailand to beat Somsak
He had to go to Canada to beat Molitor
He had to go to Venezuela to beat Parra
He had to go to Mexico to beat Castillo


He begged everyone for fights forever, and they ducked him.

That's not his fault. He never shied from saying he wants JuanMa and has defended his title numerous times.

You can't blame him for wanting the best and not getting them because he's made it abundantly and crystal clear he wanted them all.

Caballero is a high risk low reward fight even when he had 2 belts at 122.

I am not gonna say JuanMa was scared but they weren't exactly trying very hard to make that fight.


Caballero beat an undefeated PDL 5 years ago.
Was the first one to knock him down as well.

Caballero has always been trying to get everyone.

facts are facts.

juan manuel "money bags" lopez has a better resume in less fights and in less years than celestino caballero.

[Toney Loc]

I guess there's no logical explanation on fighting Vic instead of Lopez then.

Yes there is. JuanMa is scheduled to fight Concepcion.

Vic is a keep-busy fight for Rafa and as they're both Shaw fighters, it's a smart business move for Uncle Gary.

[Del Coqui]

There is. Shaw wants more of the pie.

And he gets it with this match up.

I honestly dont see how Vic getting KTFO will add to his pie.

[Guest]

facts are facts.

juan manuel "money bags" lopez has a better resume in less fights and in less years than celestino caballero.

Everyone ducked Cab and he beat JuanMa's signature victory 3 years earlier.

Then people ran scared.


Those are the facts.

[Del Coqui]

Yes there is. JuanMa is scheduled to fight Concepcion.

Vic is a keep-busy fight for Rafa and as they're both Shaw fighters, it's a smart business move for Uncle Gary.

I got you bro, but jumping two divisions to fight Rafa???

[Iceta Lives]

facts are facts.

juan manuel "money bags" lopez has a better resume in less fights and in less years than celestino caballero.

Who has Lopez beat besides Ponce De Leon and Luevano. He has a bunch of easy KOs over nobodies on PPV undercards.