Yet another OST Thread....intelligent posters only.

[fightfan_79]

Way to look at it as a *****.... Yeah Floyd done everything right huh??? unfortunately the world wont see it like you. Who was the paranoid accuser before any request for OST come about.. You come here talking about floyds feelings being laughed at and ****..boo hoo hoo... STHU *****

BataKa....apparently you diddn't read the thread title....Intelligent posters only....if you attack Dazed...attack me too...for I agreed with SOME of what he replied with....along with input as to why Floyd looks bad...not once did I attack Dazed....

Please take the time to intelligently respond to any posts....or take that **** outside with the rest of the kids....

[Eaner0919]

OK...So i've been reading about all the excuses from BOTH SIDES about why this and why that....

I have a serious question to the Floyd supporters.....

All you guys do is "dis-credit" Pacquiao's wins post-Marquez II.....and here is the list according to the majority.

Diaz = Not that good to begin with....weakest champion....should've fought SOMEONE ELSE OF NOTE (even though no one was readily available)

was he not? it's not like Diaz had done anything of note in fact the belt he won only by outlasting Santa Cruz who clearly outboxed him.

he is at best a mediocre fighter

DeLaHoya = Drained, Shot, Way Past Prime (which we all know he was except for Manny's Militia) but remember...DLH chose to fight Manny after Mayweather "retired"...and DLH ducked Margarito.

I dont know about the shot stuff but he was drained as evidenced by his inability to gain any weight post weigh in

Hatton = Floyd ruined him, never the same after getting KOd by Floyd (disagree with that due to Hatton Paulie's win was probably his BEST EVER next to Kosta). Floyd supporters stated that Hatton was shot, past it, chinny, straight forward fighter....

well by the same standard do we just forget about the Lazcano fight where this normally average puncher had Hatton hurt at least twice?

Cotto = Drained, ruined after plaster, 1lb of muscle makes the difference between life and death....

I think this is a solid win not only for the name but the manner at which Manny won

Clottey = Human punching bag, C level fighter at best (both of which were due to Manny in my opinion), was beat by Cotto, TR kept it in house....

he's not a C but I think most people knew Clottey would not be able to keep up with Manny for a full 12 but we didn't know he would literally pack it in after one round and yes TR did keep this in house but not that it matters IMO

So here is my question.....IF MANNY IS SO 1 DIMENSIONAL, THE QUALITY OF HIS OPPONENTS SO DISGUSTING, MANNY HAS BEEN DUCKING THE "SLICK BLACK BOXING STYLE ALL HIS CAREER", DUCKED MOSLEY WHEN NO CREDIT WOULD'VE BEEN GIVEN IF MANNY BEAT HIM, FIGHTING 1 DIMENSIONAL STRAIGHT COME AT YOU FIGHTERS.....WHY IS FLOYDS REQUEST OF OST ALL OF A SUDDEN THE BIBILE TO YOU GUYS?

According to all these threads and comments....Manny is not that good and will get EXPOSED should he ever step foot in the ring with Floyd. So is the request of OST from Floyd really: A) A ploy to win the mental game with Manny? - B) A ready made excuse to not fight Manny? - C) He is really trying to clean up the sport of boxing?

For the record....Floyd looks pretty bad asking this of a fighter he claims to be able to beat easily, PEDs or not....having 3 L's on his record....handily beating JMM (which means nothing to me)....claiming to be the PPV king....
and knowing that he and Pacquiao have basically an indentical boxing career starting off at the same ages and weights. (Floyd amatuer ranks and Manny already a 15 yr old professional)

To counter that...I am fully aware of Team Pacquiao's (not Manny himself) utter BS excuses and am frankly sick and tired of hearing from Roach, Arum and other Manny's Militia......the only thing that mattered is that Manny said that he is willing to comply with the original 14-day cutoff so we should have ourselves a fight now. If Floyd took it off the table in the post Mosley interview....why wouldn't he put it back out there, and we know have ourselves the fight of our generation. Manny should've agreed to take the tests from jump...but what's done is done and I hated Manny for that.

Pacquiao has budged....Team Mayweather's stmts seem to indicate that the fight will be much harder to make (Sr's interview regarding "never fighting Manny", Floyd's post fight). Negotiate behind closed doors....Pacquiao's stmt was exactly that...A STATEMENT...not negotiating....Floyd is probably vacationing, and well deserved, but please come back with some sense, stop listening to your dumbass of a father, and everyone sign on the dotted line.

Oh yeah...please respond to my question.....and feel free to comment on my views and opinions.

the rest sounds like a Manny fan perspective so whatever but one thing I would like to point out is that you state Manny budged

but didn't Mayweather budge LONG before that with the final offer of 14 days? Hadn't his position been all the way up to the fight?

so wouldn't you say Mayweather budged first?

[BirdSong]

fightfan, your post is a solid, respectful one that warrants a respectful reply. I think it's sad people seek to discredit Pacquiao's wins by downing his opponents. I thought both Oscar and Cotto would beat him but what do I know? He gets full credit from me, especially the Cotto victory and the manner in which it was done. There is no questioning Pac's skills - he is a true ATG.

I also think it's sad people have to debate against the dumb arguments of d*ckriders to boost their own. No need, Pac's accomplishments stand on their own just fine, regardless of what they say.

So with that said, I ask that you place yourself in Mayweather's shoes. Everyone claimed you were all about the money and not seeking challenges. You agreed to a 50/50 split. Gloves. Weight penalty. But the one thing you requested was spat on, ridiculed and ultimately tossed to the side. A mediator was brought in and you tried to compromise. Instead, the other side laughs at your compromise and makes another fight the next day. Then they go further to mock you by saying that you have no intentions of fighting the only other viable threat out there and the fighter himself (Manny) says you're going to lose to that threat. Furious, you take your compromise off the table and declare that next time, negotiations will take place on different terms.

So what happens? You implement full testing in your next fight and win in dominating fashion against the guy you were avoiding forever. Now you have all the leverage. And a precedent with regards to the testing has been set. Guess who comes crawling back? How does Manny look now to Floyd? If he thought the guy was juicing before, he's convinced now. I too hope this fight will happen. But don't be surprised if it doesn't. And based on the series of events, I think we know where to point the finger.

LOL but WHAT a thing to bring to the table, unprecedented maybe? Not saying its bad, but certainly a shock

Weight penalty, come on that was only because floyd came in over weight for the marquez fight, now that was a lack of respect right there

[fightfan_79]

Way to look at it as a *****.... Yeah Floyd done everything right huh??? unfortunately the world wont see it like you. Who was the paranoid accuser before any request for OST come about.. You come here talking about floyds feelings being laughed at and ****..boo hoo hoo... STHU *****

And now on to the intelligent repsonse......

THE BIGGER PICTURE IS JUST THAT.......

Floyd's ideas and requests were ****ted on...not just by *******s....but by the media and boxing "experts" alike (although it is pretty much split right down the middle).

I was one that hated Manny for not agreeing to OST from the jump.....but as time went on, little things (excuses) started coming up from everyone BUT Manny.....so Manny himself started to look real bad.....not as bad as Floyd requesting the OST...but bad enough to where people started to question IF HE REALLY WAS CLEAN....= Floyd accomplished what he wanted to do.....he won if Manny agreed....he won by planting the seed of doubt on Manny....

Manny diddn't do himself any favors by using the "feel weak" excuse AFTER THE FACT that his team had already answered for him (where was his Legal Advisor?)

Manny proved though that pre-fight and post-fight tests with Clottey came out negative....and Floyd proved that OST worked great against Mosley....

Both sign on the dotted line and settle the debate....

[IMDAZED]

Way to look at it as a *****.... Yeah Floyd done everything right huh??? unfortunately the world wont see it like you. Who was the paranoid accuser before any request for OST come about.. You come here talking about floyds feelings being laughed at and ****..boo hoo hoo... STHU *****

http://www.********.com/watch/sy-178...l_music_video/

[IMDAZED]

LOL but WHAT a thing to bring to the table, unprecedented maybe? Not saying its bad, but certainly a shock

Weight penalty, come on that was only because floyd came in over weight for the marquez fight, now that was a lack of respect right there

Not unprecedented and not insane. No more insane then when Manny introduced his own weight penalty rules against Erik Morales. Shocking?

[fightfan_79]

the rest sounds like a Manny fan perspective so whatever but one thing I would like to point out is that you state Manny budged

but didn't Mayweather budge LONG before that with the final offer of 14 days? Hadn't his position been all the way up to the fight?

so wouldn't you say Mayweather budged first?

Earner......thanks for breaking down.....very much appreciated.

Negotiations happened this way....and correct me if I'm wrong....

#1 Floyd -> OST , #2 Manny -> 3 Tests (promo kickoff, 30days before and right after in locker room), #3 Floyd -> 14 days, #4 Manny -> 24 days, NEGOTIATIONS BREAK DOWN, #5 Floyd -> Full Random OST (supposedly), #6 Manny -> 14 days......#7 Floyd's move right? So either Floyd stays firm on his FULL RANDOM OST or budges.....either way...its his move.

And to answer your question.....YES.....Floyd budged 1st (see #3)...but Manny has budged from his previous stance....and that is what I was referring to.

[fightfan_79]

Not unprecedented and not insane. No more insane then when Manny introduced his own weight penalty rules against Erik Morales. Shocking?

Refresh my memory on that one Dazed.....

[IMDAZED]

Refresh my memory on that one Dazed.....

Pacquiao did something unheard of (where's the precedent?) when he bypassed the commission and demanded that Erik Morales pay a six-figure fine if he came in a pound overweight in their second and third bouts. Even though Morales had never, ever failed to make weight.

[fightfan_79]

Pacquiao did something unheard of (where's the precedent?) when he bypassed the commission and demanded that Erik Morales pay a six-figure fine if he came in a pound overweight in their second and third bouts. Even though Morales had never, ever failed to make weight.

Wow...was not aware of that Dazed...must've been that FINE @$$ PRINT....