Yet another OST Thread....intelligent posters only.

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It doesnt matter what Manny wants , the testers tell both fighters what they want , Manny refused random OS testing FACT , thats the end of the line buddy , I dont want to hear bull**** excuses , its good enough for Olympians breaking WR within hours of being tested and its good enough for the world of sport to adopting the system throughout world sport , its good enough for AA to use the system , its good enough for Floyd and Shane , its good enough for Green and Ward to ask for it , its good enough that Khan said test me anytime Im not scared of needles , its good enough that no boxer in the sport today will refuse it to fight Floyd , ,,, except Manny lol *** off with all your bull**** .

ITS NO BIG DEAL TAKE THE ***EN TEST MANNY AND QUIT ALL THE BULL**** EXCUSES WHY YOU DONT WANT TO , YOU LOOK GUILTY AS SIN .

he didnt REFUSED OS testing cuz its not really OST testing in the first place cuz of the 14 day cut off.. Buddy....

now answer this.. why did floyd team offered a 14 day cutoff since they advocate for OST in the first place? if you have any idea why they offered the 14 day cut off in the first place?

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fightfan, your post is a solid, respectful one that warrants a respectful reply. I think it's sad people seek to discredit Pacquiao's wins by downing his opponents. I thought both Oscar and Cotto would beat him but what do I know? He gets full credit from me, especially the Cotto victory and the manner in which it was done. There is no questioning Pac's skills - he is a true ATG.

I also think it's sad people have to debate against the dumb arguments of d*ckriders to boost their own. No need, Pac's accomplishments stand on their own just fine, regardless of what they say.

So with that said, I ask that you place yourself in Mayweather's shoes. Everyone claimed you were all about the money and not seeking challenges. You agreed to a 50/50 split. Gloves. Weight penalty. But the one thing you requested was spat on, ridiculed and ultimately tossed to the side. A mediator was brought in and you tried to compromise. Instead, the other side laughs at your compromise and makes another fight the next day. Then they go further to mock you by saying that you have no intentions of fighting the only other viable threat out there and the fighter himself (Manny) says you're going to lose to that threat. Furious, you take your compromise off the table and declare that next time, negotiations will take place on different terms.

So what happens? You implement full testing in your next fight and win in dominating fashion against the guy you were avoiding forever. Now you have all the leverage. And a precedent with regards to the testing has been set. Guess who comes crawling back? How does Manny look now to Floyd? If he thought the guy was juicing before, he's convinced now. I too hope this fight will happen. But don't be surprised if it doesn't. And based on the series of events, I think we know where to point the finger.

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I,ll give you a short answer .

Pac refused to be tested , in todays world of sport thats a big no no .

If it were Manny asking for thorough random testing I would be all over Floyd if he refused .

Thats the point the only point , thats the baseline , thats Ground zero .

Here is another short answer: Manny did not ask for OSDT, Floyd did...FACT.

Manny would have fought him without some BS paranoid excuse.

Floyd needed some sort of reason as to why this little so called easy to beat, not even in his league, one dimensional fighter is knockin' mofos out....and that my friend is also a FACT.

Not such a short answer, but FACT..Floyd has more excuses than a brotha' goin' to jail.

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its clear as day if floyd didnt offered that 14 day cutoff no issue on PAC agreeing to it NOW just to make the fight happen.. floyd made a mistake by offering 14 day cutoff in the first place!!!
now *****s bashing PAC cuz he agreed to their GOD now? and why dont you *****s ask urself if floyd really wants to fight PAC why give him a 14 day cutoff? so if thats your logic he wants the fight cuz of the cutoff.. there is no reason for him to turn down pac's agreeing to 14 days cutoff NOW!!!

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he didnt REFUSED OS testing cuz its not really OST testing in the first place cuz of the 14 day cut off.. Buddy....

now answer this.. why did floyd team offered a 14 day cutoff since they advocate for OST in the first place? if you have any idea why they offered the 14 day cut off in the first place?

Buddy dont twist words from the truth your not doing your cause any favors , this issue is very simple in its raw factual terms .

OST random testing is a procedure that is determined by the testers .

Manny was presented in the very first draft given them with a demand of testing by random OST ,,,, Manny refused the official procedure .

To add drama to what was really a simply thing to comply too Manny issued a whole string of excuses why he wont comply , feeble excuses that so exposed his refusal as a story changing sham , you cant find a single thing that Floyd has lied about , *** me drunk Manny has changed his story 4 times and his team have contradicted each other at every turn .

At the end of the day , it boils down to do you believe Manny when he says it makes him weak , I dont I think that cry from a pro fighter of Pacs standing has got to be the lamest excuse in the world .

Manny should comply to full OST random testing , his opponent asked for it , his opponent will take the same tests , the sport of boxing is projected as sport trying to do its best to prevent PEDS .

Manny real has no excuse , not in the eyes of world sport .

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Buddy dont twist words from the truth your not doing your cause any favors , this issue is very simple in its raw factual terms .

OST random testing is a procedure that is determined by the testers .

Manny was presented in the very first draft given them with a demand of testing by random OST ,,,, Manny refused the official procedure .

To add drama to what was really a simply thing to comply too Manny issued a whole string of excuses why he wont comply , feeble excuses that so exposed his refusal as a story changing sham , you cant find a single thing that Floyd has lied about , *** me drunk Manny has changed his story 4 times and his team have contradicted each other at every turn .

At the end of the day , it boils down to do you believe Manny when he says it makes him weak , I dont I think that cry from a pro fighter of Pacs standing has got to be the lamest excuse in the world .

Manny should comply to full OST random testing , his opponent asked for it , his opponent will take the same tests , the sport of boxing is projected as sport trying to do its best to prevent PEDS .

Manny real has no excuse , not in the eyes of world sport .

i just asked a simple question floyd gave a cutoff date then for reason you think he really wanted the fight to push thru.. now pac agreed to it.. if floyd refused to it now i think floyd doesnt really want to fight PAC.. cuz his reason on wanting to fight pac then (14 day cutoff) vanished to thin air..

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i just asked a simple question floyd gave a cutoff date then for reason you think he really wanted the fight to push thru.. now pac agreed to it.. if floyd refused to it now i think floyd doesnt really want to fight PAC.. cuz his reason on wanting to fight pac then (14 day cutoff) vanished to thin air..

Well it vanished into thin air because Pacquiao vanished into thin air. And Floyd told him, next time it's full testing. I just don't get it. Why didn't Manny agree then???

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Well it vanished into thin air because Pacquiao vanished into thin air. And Floyd told him, next time it's full testing. I just don't get it. Why didn't Manny agree then???

honestly as a PAC fan they are not really ready for floyd then cuz of the elections not that they are scared of floyd but the preparations on the fight and all will not really push through cuz of the elections.. now elections is over PAC can concentrate on fighting floyd.. its obvious that PAC doesnt want blood to be drawn from him close to the fight that is why he now agreed to the 14 day cutoff..

i just asked why floyd offered 14 day cutoff then? why not now? whats the difference?

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i just asked a simple question floyd gave a cutoff date then for reason you think he really wanted the fight to push thru.. now pac agreed to it.. if floyd refused to it now i think floyd doesnt really want to fight PAC.. cuz his reason on wanting to fight pac then (14 day cutoff) vanished to thin air..

Floyd gave the date as a counter offer to really try and make the fight happen I think in the end he will accept it if thats the only issue left stopping the fight , but the real of this is he shouldn't have to comprimise on the testing it should be accepted , for *** sake be real , Floyd agreed to 50/50 when all the haters said he never would , he agreed to every thing asked , even agreed to the silly things yet Manny cant agree to the one thing Floyd asked , when that one thing is an honorable thing for the good of boxing in the eyes of the world and the integrity of this fight of fights ,,,, you would think Floyd asked him to denounce he is Asian this is nothing for him to comply , Floyd had no idea Manny was going to refuse , how could he , thats whats real , all the rest is just bull**** posturing , why dont Manny just take the test , why all this scrambling in the press by Mannys Team , how we want , we want it Nov , will except 14 days , blah blah blah , while Floyd is no comment just like he was last time and just like last time Mannys team is running there media mouth , lol all the while Arums tells the world we dont want in the media like last time lol ,,,, in all fairness its as plain as day who has wanted this fight from the beginning , from his comeback to now Floyd wants Pac , but he wants him guaranteed clean , thats it , nothing more nothing less ,, and there is nothing wrong with that in any language .

Mannys special OS random testing deal is compromising the fight and the integrity of boxing , it should have been a non issue and a brownie point for world boxing , Manny saying no turned it into what it is , Im all for whatever solution they come to to make the fight happen but to blame Floyd in this is just total bull**** , that was proven because he could not possibly have known Pac was going to say no .

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Floyd gave the date as a counter offer to really try and make the fight happen I think in the end he will accept it if thats the only issue left stopping the fight , but the real of this is he shouldn't have to comprimise on the testing it should be accepted , for *** sake be real , Floyd agreed to 50/50 when all the haters said he never would , he agreed to every thing asked , even agreed to the silly things yet Manny cant agree to the one thing Floyd asked , when that one thing is an honorable thing for the good of boxing in the eyes of the world and the integrity of this fight of fights ,,,, you would think Floyd asked him to denounce he is Asian this is nothing for him to comply , Floyd had no idea Manny was going to refuse , how could he , thats whats real , all the rest is just bull**** posturing , why dont Manny just take the test , why all this scrambling in the press by Mannys Team , how we want , we want it Nov , will except 14 days , blah blah blah , while Floyd is no comment just like he was last time and just like last time Mannys team is running there media mouth , lol all the while Arums tells the world we dont want in the media like last time lol ,,,, in all fairness its as plain as day who has wanted this fight from the beginning , from his comeback to now Floyd wants Pac , but he wants him guaranteed clean , thats it , nothing more nothing less ,, and there is nothing wrong with that in any language .

Mannys special OS random testing deal is compromising the fight and the integrity of boxing , it should have been a non issue and a brownie point for world boxing , Manny saying no turned it into what it is , Im all for whatever solution they come to to make the fight happen but to blame Floyd in this is just total bull**** , that was proven because he could not possibly have known Pac was going to say no .

thtas the only answer i want to hear its a reason floyd really want to fight manny thats why he offered a 14 day cutoff.. if thats the case what do you think will be the problem now on floyd's side since manny agreed to the 14 day cutoff?