Yet another OST Thread....intelligent posters only.

[fightfan_79]

fLOYD Can be right or wrong, doesnt matter to some of his fans in here....they are delusional......they will side with him. They arent boxing fans. They are Floyd Mayweather Fans

Same can be said about Manny's Militia.....

[Deevel916]

Same can be said about Manny's Militia.....

Difference between Floyd fans and Manny fans is that Pac fans just wanna see the dude fight. Floyd fans on the other hand are ok with Floyd not fighting so and so for whatever reasons/excuses Floyd throws out not to fight so and so.

When Floyd repeatedly said he had no interest in fighting Shane, most of his followers here were ok with the reasons Floyd gave not to fight him. The minute he signed to fight him, their stances changed.

[big_james10]

So here is my question.....IF MANNY IS SO 1 DIMENSIONAL, THE QUALITY OF HIS OPPONENTS SO DISGUSTING, MANNY HAS BEEN DUCKING THE "SLICK BLACK BOXING STYLE ALL HIS CAREER", DUCKED MOSLEY WHEN NO CREDIT WOULD'VE BEEN GIVEN IF MANNY BEAT HIM, FIGHTING 1 DIMENSIONAL STRAIGHT COME AT YOU FIGHTERS.....WHY IS FLOYDS REQUEST OF OST ALL OF A SUDDEN THE BIBILE TO YOU GUYS?

For the record....Floyd looks pretty bad asking this of a fighter he claims to be able to beat easily, PEDs or not....having 3 L's on his record....handily beating JMM (which means nothing to me)....claiming to be the PPV king....
and knowing that he and Pacquiao have basically an indentical boxing career starting off at the same ages and weights. (Floyd amatuer ranks and Manny already a 15 yr old professional)

You have argued your point well. Since you only want intelligent answers, here is my intelligent answer for you. Do some research (or go to HBO or You Tube's website and watch the documentary) on a 1983 fight between Billy Collins, an up-and-coming undefeated welterweight and a journeyman named Luis Resto who had 8 defeats on his record at the time of their fight. If you look at what happened in that fight, you will see the effects of cheating against a top quality fighter who probably would have won the match by knockout. Read the story of Billy Collins and think about how that same thing could have happened to Shane Mosley if ****m Richardson had not discovered the plaster in Margarito's gloves. If you look at that with an open mind, you would know why Floyd wants the random drug tests up to the day of the fight.

[Deevel916]

You have argued your point well. Since you only want intelligent answers, here is my intelligent answer for you. Do some research (or go to HBO or You Tube's website and watch the documentary) on a 1983 fight between Billy Collins, an up-and-coming undefeated welterweight and a journeyman named Luis Resto who had 8 defeats on his record at the time of their fight. If you look at what happened in that fight, you will see the effects of cheating against a top quality fighter who probably would have won the match by knockout. Read the story of Billy Collins and think about how that same thing could have happened to Shane Mosley if ****m Richardson had not discovered the plaster in Margarito's gloves. If you look at that with an open mind, you would know why Floyd wants the random drug tests up to the day of the fight.

What does illegal hand wraps and steroids have to do with one another when comes to the Floyd/Pac situation?

It doesnt require OSDT in order to ensure your opponent doesnt have illegal wraps.

[big_james10]

he's trying to make the fight happen. Actually bending a little to floyd. You guys should be happy.

but we all know Floyd will now refuse. USADA didnt take a drop of blood in 18 days, manny is giving 14.

But Floyd and USADA are more concerned with head games than making the fight happen.

He could have made the fight happen in March if he had agreed to the 14-day cut-off date. So the question is why didn't he want to make the fight happen in March and why is he so anxious to make it happen now? Floyd said in February that the 14 days was off the table now. Everyone knows that, including Pac. Now Pac is saying he wants 14 days. That sounds like Pac is using the 14-day excuse to avoid the fight.

Think of it this way. You offer me $10,000 for a car I am trying to sell and I refuse the offer because I want $15,000. A month later, you say I am no longer willing to pay $10,000 for the car, I will only pay $8,000. I shouldnt come back to you five months later after no one else is willing to buy the car and say I will sell it to you for $10,000 and expect you to jump on it like I am doing you a favor. That is what Pac is doing, and Floyd won't buy it.

Also, considering that the USADA didn't take a drop of blood in 18 days before the Mosley fight, wouldn't it stand to reason that they probably won't take any within three days of a fight between Mayweather and Pac? And if that is the case, Pac should agree to no cutoff date since the USADA is not likely (based on its history) to take blood within that three day period before the fight that Pac is so afraid of.

[big_james10]

What does illegal hand wraps and steroids have to do with one another when comes to the Floyd/Pac situation?

It doesnt require OSDT in order to ensure your opponent doesnt have illegal wraps.

Cheating is cheating. It gives you an unfair advantage. Margarito could have caused Mosley some serious brain damage if he had hit him enough times with those illegal hand wraps. If a guy who can't punch that hard and who can't take a punch takes illegal drugs that allow him to be much stronger, punch much harder and take a punch that would ordinarily KO him, it gives him an advantage. If the illegal substance allows him to punch significantly harder, it can cause the same damage as illegal hand wraps.

[NECK SNAPPER]

First they both have to take test not just pac
but boy oh boy you must be great that people think
you are on somthing pac & $may are great fighters
take the tests becuse its a historical fight one for the books

[shogunn]

He could have made the fight happen in March if he had agreed to the 14-day cut-off date. So the question is why didn't he want to make the fight happen in March and why is he so anxious to make it happen now? Floyd said in February that the 14 days was off the table now. Everyone knows that, including Pac. Now Pac is saying he wants 14 days. That sounds like Pac is using the 14-day excuse to avoid the fight.

Think of it this way. You offer me $10,000 for a car I am trying to sell and I refuse the offer because I want $15,000. A month later, you say I am no longer willing to pay $10,000 for the car, I will only pay $8,000. I shouldnt come back to you five months later after no one else is willing to buy the car and say I will sell it to you for $10,000 and expect you to jump on it like I am doing you a favor. That is what Pac is doing, and Floyd won't buy it.

Also, considering that the USADA didn't take a drop of blood in 18 days before the Mosley fight, wouldn't it stand to reason that they probably won't take any within three days of a fight between Mayweather and Pac? And if that is the case, Pac should agree to no cutoff date since the USADA is not likely (based on its history) to take blood within that three day period before the fight that Pac is so afraid of.

oh man, I read 1 sentence out of that car salesman **** and was done. dont get into long theories and apply it to something else. Just doesnt work.

Manny is trying to bend for floyd, but you guys are seeing it as a way out some how??

And no, based on their testing history, DOES NOT prove the usada will not take blood from manny the morning of the fight. Tygart the douchebag himself said its their right to test all the way till the morning of. And their right to blood test everyday if they wanted too. The fact that they didnt take 1 blood sample 18 days to catch the "undetectable blood only PED" raises su****ions of hteir testing.

Why were they so complacent that urine is inferior to blood, yet they took more urine tests? They might as well just agree with Manny and 14 days since they didnt even test for the "undetectable magic PED". They are more concerned with head games than actual testing.

[Boxin']

I,ll give you a short answer .

Pac refused to be tested , in todays world of sport thats a big no no .

If it were Manny asking for thorough random testing I would be all over Floyd if he refused .

Thats the point the only point , thats the baseline , thats Ground zero .

Pac didn't refuse to be tested. He agreed to 14 days.

[Boxin']

Great opening post btw fightfan_79

Ive also wondered how an unskilled brawler like Pac can be too good to be clean..