Pacquiao agrees: "Let's see if drug testing is really the Reason"

[al-Xander]

What the **** are you talking about?

Arum conducts ALL of Pacquiao's business when it comes to arranging fights and drawing up contracts. Alex Ariza towels off Manny and holds his stop watch while he jogs. Alex Ariza does not represent Manny in any way, shape, or form. He's not his promoter, he's not his lawyer, he's his strength and conditioning coach... that's it.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

Ouch!

[cupocity303]

In Context:

On whether he [Roger Mayweather] believes Floyd would be ready to fight Pacquiao in his next fight if he beats Victor Ortiz:

“Well I wouldn’t think he would fight Pacquiao right after fighting Victor Ortiz. I mean it would be crazy for Floyd to go in the ring with Pacquiao after fighting Victor Ortiz! Floyd needs fights. He needs to be active. Don’t get me wrong, Floyd is the greatest fighter out there, period. Right now in today’s boxing Floyd is the greatest fighter out there. But at the same time I don’t think that Floyd can do this. Floyd needs tune-ups like anybody else. It ain’t no different than any other fighter if you are going to compete with a guy who has been active all the time.”

http://www.**********boxingradio.com...rtiz%E2%80%9D/

Oh yeah, he said that. His direct quote, on video, during a press conference was "And yes, Manny Pacquiao... you're next".

Then he said reporters were putting words in his mouth and he never said that.

True story.

Yes, that's Floyd side of the coin. He just may be a coward, a ducker and isn't willing to face Pacquiao regardless of any testing. That's Floyd's story.

Now, lets focus on Pacquiao and get his side of the argument clear, without any Ad-Hominem distractions about Floyd. Once we have 100% concrete information that he has no problem with Random Testing, that he understands what Random Testing means. That there are no announced dates when the guys with the needles show up like he originally asked for. Then we can focus on whether Floyd, 100%.

Until then, the circle jerk, *****-******* Paradigm, between the morons continues.

[Phenom]

Cool. Great fight!

good fight definitely better then Margarito Mosley and JMM fights I still want Bradley to beat a ranked WW before he fights Pac

[ThePrince]

Yes, that's Floyd side of the coin. He just may be a coward, a ducker and isn't willing to face Pacquiao regardless of any testing. That's Floyd's story.

Now, lets focus on Pacquiao and get his side of the argument clear, without any Ad-Hominem distractions about Floyd. Once we have 100% concrete information that he has no problem with Random Testing, that he understands what Random Testing means. That there are no announced dates when the guys with the needles show up like he originally asked for. Then we can focus on whether Floyd, 100%.

Until then, the circle jerk, *****-******* Paradigm, between the morons continues.

Now mind you, Bob will have to clear this with the real shot caller Alex Ariza, but again... this is what he said:

Will we finally get Pacquiao-Mayweather?

As we all get set to watch Floyd Mayweather Jr. face Victor Ortiz at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas on Saturday (HBO PPV, 9 p.m. ET, $59.95), many view it as a warm-up fight for the one we all really want -- and have waited for the past couple of years -- to see.

That would be Mayweather against fellow pound-for-pound star Manny Pacquiao.

Pacquiao, of course, has his own fight to take care of. On Nov. 12, he will have a third showdown, also at the MGM Grand, against Juan Manuel Marquez, who has already given Pacquiao two very tough fights that could have gone either way but were ruled a draw and a Pacquiao split-decision win.

Pacquiao is a significant favorite to take this meeting as well, and if he and Mayweather come up winners in their upcoming bouts, the pressure will once again be on to finally make the damn fight.

It has been a soap opera of negotiations (two rounds so far, not to mention endless rhetoric) that has yet to yield what likely would be the biggest money fight in boxing history.

The hangup was all about drug testing. To make a long story short, Mayweather wanted random blood and urine testing. Pacquiao was cool with unlimited urine testing but was apprehensive about random blood testing -- which no commission on earth requires -- all the way up to fight day.

Throughout the promotion of the Ortiz fight, Mayweather has been asked about Pacquiao and has responded with the same mantra he cites whenever the subject comes up: "Take the test."

During the promotion for the Marquez fight, Pacquiao has been asked about Mayweather and has said multiple times that blood testing is no longer an issue.

So will we see the fight if they both win?

Top Rank's Bob Arum, who promotes Pacquiao (and promoted Mayweather for most of his career before an ugly falling out), told me the other day that he sees no reason why it can't happen next.

"Manny has taken the position that he would agree to unlimited testing," Arum said. "It is a non-f------ issue."


But the question of which agency would handle the testing might be. Mayweather currently uses the United States Anti-Doping Agency to handle testing for his fights. He has been randomly tested -- and required his opponents, such as Ortiz and Shane Mosley, to also be randomly tested -- for his recent bouts.

Arum said he and Pacquiao have no issue with USADA testing but maintain that any testing "should be done under the overall umbrella of the state commission" where the proposed fight would take place.

There has been some talk from the Mayweather camp about wanting Pacquiao to train exclusively in the United States so he could be under USADA's jurisdiction. However, Pacquiao lives in the Philippines (where he serves in that country's congress) and usually spends the first half of his training camp there before relocating for the second part of his camp, to trainer Freddie Roach's Wild Card Gym in Hollywood, Calif.

Arum said the World Anti-Doping Agency, essentially the umbrella agency over USADA, would have to handle Pacquiao's testing in the Philippines.

"The testing would have to be done by WADA, which means when Manny trains in the Philippines, whoever they use in Asia to do the testing would do it," Arum said. "When Manny is training in the United States, they would use USADA. WADA gets the agency to supervise the testing in the Philippines. But the point is, it all has to be done under the overall authority of the boxing commission wherever you have the fight."

Even though Pacquiao is now apparently willing to do the unlimited random testing, Arum still wasn't convinced the fight would happen.

"I'm not optimistic," Arum said. "I think Mayweather will look for a way not to do the fight. I smell the initial drum beat of 'You're not allowed to train in the Philippines' because of [who oversees] the testing. Once Mayweather says that, he can go f--- himself. Then it becomes a major political issue when he says Manny can't train in his home country. Besides, nobody would subject themselves to that type of restriction."

Here we go again?

http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/blo...iao-mayweather

So, hopefully next time Ariza is conducting negotiations he'll listen to Arum's suggestions. Oh well, let's all keep our fingers crossed that big bossman Ariza changes his mind

Let me know what Floyd is thinking. Is he going to take the stand and give his deposition finally?

[cupocity303]

What the **** are you talking about?

Arum conducts ALL of Pacquiao's business when it comes to arranging fights and drawing up contracts. Alex Ariza towels off Manny and holds his stop watch while he jogs.

More clutching at straws. You do enjoy these IQ reducing encounters don't you?

Arum's job is to protect his fighters, including their image. When there is a Fight on the table, Arum takes the option to the Fighter, and the fighter either agrees or rejects it. Either directly or through a representative/Manager.

If the fighter rejects it, it's his job to do the best spin-job to make it look good in his clients favor. That's his Job description. Look up the definition for PROMOTER. When you promote a client or a product, it's your job to make it look like a million bux. If you're promoting a new gadget/product on a infomercial, they don't say that it sucks or that it isn't as good as other products. It's their job to convince you that it's better than all the other competing products. As it stands, there are opposing statements from Pacquiao's camp. Arum doesn't make the deals, managers do. You being the blind Pacquiao fanatic, chooses to take Arum's statement at face value.

Me, I'm more of a rational skeptic. When I hear all of his people, including Pacquiao himself, say the same thing, then I'll be inclined to believe it.

[tomhawq]

i don't know how these *****s' minds work. how can pac take the test when floyd doesn't even have balls to enter pac negotiations?

shouldn't floyd open negotiations first before coming to any conclusion?

[STFU!!]

In Context:

On whether he [Roger Mayweather] believes Floyd would be ready to fight Pacquiao in his next fight if he beats Victor Ortiz:

“Well I wouldn’t think he would fight Pacquiao right after fighting Victor Ortiz. I mean it would be crazy for Floyd to go in the ring with Pacquiao after fighting Victor Ortiz! Floyd needs fights. He needs to be active. Don’t get me wrong, Floyd is the greatest fighter out there, period. Right now in today’s boxing Floyd is the greatest fighter out there. But at the same time I don’t think that Floyd can do this. Floyd needs tune-ups like anybody else. It ain’t no different than any other fighter if you are going to compete with a guy who has been active all the time.”

http://www.**********boxingradio.com...rtiz%E2%80%9D/

Oh yeah, he said that. His direct quote, on video, during a press conference was "And yes, Manny Pacquiao... you're next".

Then he said reporters were putting words in his mouth and he never said that.

True story.

DIDN'T Say manny wasn't next did he. Just didn't want people to think ortiz was a tune up for pacquiao. Said so on espn at the first press conference. Rodger and sr don't make floyds decisions. they don't know wtf is going on when floyds not in camp. All the proof you need is sr is out of the camp and hasn't been back since 24/7. On the other side of the coin you have roach saying 5 days then saying no when 14 days was offer, you have arum saying usada isn't neutral and recently its not any ones fault, but floyd might be in prison in 2012. Floyd most recent interview indicates he will wait til pac marquez is over before he picks his next fight.

Lets try this again, why pacquiao turned down 50 million because he has pride and doesn't want to be dictated to when he needs the money?

[cupocity303]

i don't know how these *****s' minds work. how can pac take the test when floyd doesn't even have balls to enter pac negotiations?

shouldn't floyd open negotiations first before coming to any conclusion?

This isn't complicated. All it requires on your part, is an average IQ 95-100.

They're not negotiating directly right now, so all the negotiating is being done in the media. Words matters.

Floyd says: Take the test if you got nothing to hide.

Pacquiao is supposed to say: I have no problem taking the test.

Reporter: Random Testing at any time, as per Floyd's demand?

Pacquiao: Yes, at any time, they can come and test me.

Hopefully Mex Kellerman or Merchant will press on this during the post-fight interview, after he is done knocking out Marquez. Instead of asking him, will you fight Mayweather, ask him about the testing. Negotiate the deal live on Television for everyone, including Floyd to see, and lets be clear of his position.

[tomhawq]

Pacquiao is supposed to say: I have no problem taking the test.

Reporter: Random Testing at any time, as per Floyd's demand?

Pacquiao: Yes, at any time, they can come and test me.

dude, you're too naive to believe that floyd would jump right out and open negotiations once pac said what you said he should.

yes. i would like that to happen from team pac -- say it again and believe me you'd be adding some more spin to it once it happens.

[brick wall]

i don't get this debate about who's telling the truth and who's not. who cares about what both camps are saying right now? they're not negotiating...if and when it happens that's all that matters. that's the time somebody will be exposed for telling a lie. until then, nobody is telling the truth of just lying. and they can say whatever they want but it doesn't mean anything if they don't want to negotiate.