Why was Michael Spinks known as the greatest light heavyweight ever? Was he really ?

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Its harder to make hall of fame nowdays, no doubt about it. Tony tucker and rid**** bowe will not make the hall of fame, if they boxed in the 20's, no doubt they would be in. Dude you have to watch footage and see the difference in techniques, if you can't then i cant help you anymore. Guys like carnera, walcott, jack johnson, sharkey, baer would have all gotten thier asses kicked by rid**** bowe, i could guarantee it. Norton is in the hall of fame, bowe would have knocked him out in round 2 or 3.

Jones was faster than greb, he had the better footwork and head movement. Greb was a guy with power, his technique isnt anything to brag about. There is footage of him training, then watch footage of roy training. Big difference.

With all those names that are there that you think should not be there, don't you think you'll be doing the sport a favor if you propose the abolition of such Hall?

If it serves no purpose other than be a mockery of greatness, then, it should be closed.

As for watching films, a lot of people-- well known and highly respected boxing writers-- list old fighters higher than many of those recently retired. Are you saying then that they, just like me, have not watched films and are therefore ignorant of what they are talking about? If they are ignorant, then, thanks for putting me in good company.

I have never said Greb had the superior technique. But technique is only one way to skin the cat. Greb got things done doing things his way. And getting things done is the bottom line.

As for it being harder to make the Hall today, let us not forget that both Halls of Fame (Canastota and Los Angeles) are rather recent inventions. THe one in Canastota, which is older, traces its roots to only 24 years ago. Old-timers in the Hall did not get in there centuries ago, although some of them have been inducted for feats accomplished in the remote past. The current incarnation of the International Boxing Hall of Fame can be best pegged as having its international character only back to 1989, although it honors the likes of Greb and even earlier greats.

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With all those names that are there that you think should not be there, don't you think you'll be doing the sport a favor if you propose the abolition of such Hall?

If it serves no purpose other than be a mockery of greatness, then, it should be closed.

As for watching films, a lot of people-- well known and highly respected boxing writers-- list old fighters higher than many of those recently retired. Are you saying then that they, just like me, have not watched films and are therefore ignorant of what they are talking about? If they are ignorant, then, thanks for putting me in good company.

I have never said Greb had the superior technique. But technique is only one way to skin the cat. Greb got things done doing things his way. And getting things done is the bottom line.

Dude rid**** bowe is ****in awesome man, he wont make it cuz he didnt accomplish much. However, when it comes to head to head matchups, he's a nightmare for many former champs. I am gonna name the guys he would knock out badly.

jack johnson
floyd patterson
joe walcott
ezzard charles- hes way too small for big daddy
ernie terrell
jimmy ellis
ken norton
primo carnera
jack sharkey
schmeling
baer
jeffries
leon



Hell bowe would have beat 85% of the champs from the 20th century. If you are a hall of famer, it doesnt mean you would beat the other guy. Get my point.

If i become a sports writer 20 years from now, am i gonna say the new cat in town would have killed b-hop or roy, hell no. I would be up thier ****s, cuz thats who i grew up watching. Any idiot can tell u bert sugar has a bias, its so ****in obvious.

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Dude rid**** bowe is ****in awesome man, he wont make it cuz he didnt accomplish much. However, when it comes to head to head matchups, he's a nightmare for many former champs. I am gonna name the guys he would knock out badly.

jack johnson
floyd patterson
joe walcott
ezzard charles- hes way too small for big daddy
ernie terrell
jimmy ellis
ken norton
primo carnera
jack sharkey
schmeling
baer
jeffries
leon



Hell bowe would have beat 85% of the champs from the 20th century. If you are a hall of famer, it doesnt mean you would beat the other guy. Get my point.

If i become a sports writer 20 years from now, am i gonna say the new cat in town would have killed b-hop or roy, hell no. I would be up thier ****s, cuz thats who i grew up watching. Any idiot can tell u bert sugar has a bias, its so ****in obvious.

Your words: "...he didn't accomplish much."

The fight game is about accomplishments. There are many who think Emmanuel Augustus is one huge talent. But not even his most avid fans would dream of talking about his accomplishments.

It may be true that Bowe can beat many of those in the Hall. But because he did not meet them, nor shall ever meet them, everyone's guess can only be as good as the next guy. As such, all guesses should be respected. I remember the three Bowe-Holy fights, though. I also recall how he dumped his belt after the first meeting and refused to face mandatory challenger Lennox Lewis. Lewis-Bowe has been consigned, it seems, to eternal guesswork, also.

I do not know too many idiots, so I am afraid that nobody can tell me with certainty that Bert Sugar "has a bias." All I can say is that each person has his/her own biases. And that's as obvious a fact as any. Bert Sugar is a person, as far as I can tell, so I assume he should be entitled to his own bias.

As far as I can recall, this thread is not about who beats who. It is about how good Michael Spinks was. My first post was in response to that question.

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Your words: "...he didn't accomplish much."

The fight game is about accomplishments. There are many who think Emmanuel Augustus is one huge talent. But not even his most avid fans would dream of talking about his accomplishments.

It may be true that Bowe can beat many of those in the Hall. But because he did not meet them, nor shall ever meet them, everyone's guess can only be as good as the next guy. As such, all guesses should be respected. I remember the three Bowe-Holy fights, though. I also recall how he dumped his belt after the first meeting and refused to face mandatory challenger Lennox Lewis. Lewis-Bowe has been consigned, it seems, to eternal guesswork, also.

I do not know too many idiots, so I am afraid that nobody can tell me with certainty that Bert Sugar "has a bias." All I can say is that each person has his/her own biases. And that's as obvious a fact as any. Bert Sugar is a person, as far as I can tell, so I assume he should be entitled to his own bias.

As far as I can recall, this thread is not about who beats who. It is about how good Michael Spinks was. My first post was in response to that question.

Spinks is top 5 easily, he beat everyone at 175 and they pressured him to move up, he did and won the heavyweight strap.

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Spinks is top 5 easily, he beat everyone at 175 and they pressured him to move up, he did and won the heavyweight strap.

I'm close to where you're at. I have him at 7th.

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I'm close to where you're at. I have him at 7th.

Yeah i can see that, he didnt stay at 175 long enough to be ahead of foster or a few others like conn but he's still one of my favs. By the way, bert disses spinks cuz he lost to tyson and doesnt consider him top 100 of all time. Thats why i say bert proly has hate towards certain fighters.

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Yeah i can see that, he didnt stay at 175 long enough to be ahead of foster or a few others like conn but he's still one of my favs. By the way, bert disses spinks cuz he lost to tyson and doesnt consider him top 100 of all time. Thats why i say bert proly has hate towards certain fighters.

I do sometimes disagree with Mr. Sugar, but, I don't really steam over his choices.

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lol at comparing tarver and tunney

it is one of the most out of this world parallels ever drawn on this forum, and that is saying a lot.

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