If a "roided" Pacquiao got outboxed by Marquez twice...

[Boss Don]

thread is roided pac. but until he fought a guy like JMM u cannot say he improved alot since they fought..

what do you mean?

[Boss Don]

This is a clear example you are trying to twist the facts. The above sentence is also means if he doesn't take the test then he is dirty. *****s believed Pac is dirty because he did not take the test. Twisted fact isn't it? Now the fact is Pac agreed to the test but they just can't agree to the cut off days so the fight fell apart.

Your right as soon as I heard Pacquiao didn't want to take test I thought he was on something if your clean then it shouldn't matter

And I don't think there should be any cutoff dates the fact that he needs one is su****ious to me

You say he agreed but he wanted to pick when he got tested he did not want the tests to be random and thats only more su****ious

Then Roach and Arum with all there excuses its just to much for me not to wonder whats going on over in that camp

[bojangles1987]

...then what's troubling Floyd from fighting Manny without OST?

Keep up, Pac didn't start roiding until he fought the immortal David Diaz.

Dumb ass.

[carts]

what do you mean?

pac was outboxed by jmm even if he is roided..until he fight a boxer like jmm u cannot tell that pac had improved cuz of roids..

[dibzvincent143]

no i havn't really seen him get hit that hard to say if his chin is good or not and I thought Cotto power was overrated but just Manny speed, power and workrate is just not natural and I don't see how he has improved that much this late in his career while moving up in weight not saying its not possible its just never been done

Like usually you lose power when you move up because the bigger guys can take a better punch but he is over powering the bigger guys while keeping his speed and throwing all those punches it just seems like to me something is giving him that extra boost of energy because what he is doing is not normal

i beg to disagree with your statement that cotto's power is overrated.

but i do see your point. that's is why merchant once said pac is a victim of his own success. i don't know if have read that one, but he reasoned there that pac's achievement lately has never been done before that is why he is greatly suspected.

in my opinion, pac became a beast since he was approaching or he's body already primed and he is at his perfect weight class. pac used to weigh 145-150 normally. he cuts weight up to 130 lbs during fights and then rehydrate up to 146 lbs. basing to all the facts, reducing much weight causes you a lot, you'll either be weight drained or you'll have lesser punch resistance.
now, pac doesn't have to do that... he just have to train hard and eat all that he can.
ariza also had made a lot good work, since he applied the thing "plyometrics" or something like that. idk what its name. where in it is proven scientifically to be wonderful. higher weight, while maintaining speed and gaining power.

i respect your opinion, but i do believe pac is not on something...
and i guess i'll argue with you any day of the week if you allow me to explain..

[krazyn8tive]

Pac wasn't fighting the way he is now back then. It wasn't until the David Diaz fight where there was a drastic change in Pacquiao performance

this comment is factually wrong. Did you watch the pac-barrera fight? Isn't this the fight when the world took notice and propelled Manny into the popular scene. Watch some fights and do your homework before you start with this babble

[Puck]

Pac vs Mayweather I : Boxing match w/ OST
Pac vs Mayweather II: MMA match w/ OST
Pac vs Mayweather III : Volley ball w/ bikinis

[Boss Don]

pac was outboxed by jmm even if he is roided..until he fight a boxer like jmm u cannot tell that pac had improved cuz of roids..

thats the thing Floyd is not going to fight him if he is on roids it doesn't matter if he feels he can beat him or not Floyd is not fighting any dirty fighters whoever Floyd fights next they are gonna have to take the test it don't matter if its Pacquiao or not

[Bring It On]

thats the thing Floyd is not going to fight him if he is on roids it doesn't matter if he feels he can beat him or not Floyd is not fighting any dirty fighters whoever Floyd fights next they are gonna have to take the test it don't matter if its Pacquiao or not

Shane was "dirty". You'll still benefit from steroids etc years after you took them.

[Boss Don]

this comment is factually wrong. Did you watch the pac-barrera fight? Isn't this the fight when the world took notice and propelled Manny into the popular scene. Watch some fights and do your homework before you start with this babble

lol I always do my homework buddy and yes i did watch that fight and I think Pacquiao is a diffrent fighter now but hey everybody in entitled to their own opinion and in mines ever since the David Diaz fight Pacquiao has been a totally diffrent fighter but you can have your opinion to